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https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1556835968279355392/
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FBI executed search warrant at Mar-a-Lago
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On Twitter there’s a lot of conflating of Democrats and the FBI.
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So absurd. We in the general public have no clue what the FBI got a warrant to look for. Yet all this piling on anyway by so many Republican officials and Trump followers.
This man, now proclaiming that "if you are not for Donald Trump you are my enemy"... does he care if the object of the warranted search is something that has already or could in future compromise the security of the USA or one of its allies?
Ironic if a man calling for loyalty to an American politician is asking for loyalty to a guy whose own allegiances turn out not to prioritize the United States of America, even though he managed to become our 45th president.
It's one thing --and a very fine one at that-- to become an activist in affairs of the nation. But to put hyperpartisan blinders on when an admired politician comes into conflict with the law, well that seems not so fine to me. We do have a rule of law and this search warrant appears to have been acquired in legitimate fashion.
The search has been conducted already, so the investigation continues however it will, and let those bewitched by or beholden to Donald Trump complain or sue later if it turns out that "there was no there there" upon conclusion of the House investigation.
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Republicans are complaining that the raid was "unprecedented." Well, Trump's transgressions were unprecedented. Did a U.S. president ever incite a mob to attack the Capitol in order to block the peaceful transition of power? They are putting party over country in a way that is frankly hard to understand. Ok, he's your guy but at some point you'd think they would look out for the good of the country, for everyone's sake. An attempted coup apparently dosen't do it.
Agreed, but everyone should remember that we have already had a stolen election in this country, a judicial coup.
There are many issues we thought we could just ignore and move on from, but the fact that no one answered for the stolen election of 2000, torture, spying, etc just paved the way for the emerging fascist element to gain an actual hold over power in this country.
The refusal to hold officials to actual account (read: jail) just shows that as long as you have the connections to the right power brokers there is no Law in this country worth talking about.
America desperately needs a political revolution and a Truth & Reconciliation process with actual consequences. Until that happens we’ve got the choice of ratcheting further and further rightward or…we’ll that’s the only choice with two corporate owned parties.
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It may have been a mistake, but not the way he thinks.
Trump disqualified from holding office? Clinton-linked lawyer points to US Code after FBI raid - Washington Examiner
With news of the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago, buzz quickly bubbled up Monday evening about whether former President Donald Trump could be disqualified from holding office again.The FBI search of the Florida resort was related to Trump's handling of presidential records, including classified...
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So if Trump ends up barred from holding office, that really opens the door for DeSantis which might not be great for the Dems.
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Yeah, there are ways this can play to their advantage. I think DeSantis was going to primary anyway and this would just give him the upper hand, I also think Dems are expecting him to run.It may have been a mistake, but not the way he thinks.
Trump disqualified from holding office? Clinton-linked lawyer points to US Code after FBI raid - Washington Examiner
With news of the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago, buzz quickly bubbled up Monday evening about whether former President Donald Trump could be disqualified from holding office again.The FBI search of the Florida resort was related to Trump's handling of presidential records, including classified...
So if Trump ends up barred from holding office, that really opens the door for DeSantis which might not be great for the Dems.
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It may have been a mistake, but not the way he thinks.
Trump disqualified from holding office? Clinton-linked lawyer points to US Code after FBI raid - Washington Examiner
With news of the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago, buzz quickly bubbled up Monday evening about whether former President Donald Trump could be disqualified from holding office again.The FBI search of the Florida resort was related to Trump's handling of presidential records, including classified...
So if Trump ends up barred from holding office, that really opens the door for DeSantis which might not be great for the Dems.
Heh, that door was already open. The GOP doesn't want Trump to run again. They're not going to mount up and buy big dollar billboards to that effect before even all the 2022 midterm primaries have concluded.
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It may have been a mistake, but not the way he thinks.
Trump disqualified from holding office? Clinton-linked lawyer points to US Code after FBI raid - Washington Examiner
With news of the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago, buzz quickly bubbled up Monday evening about whether former President Donald Trump could be disqualified from holding office again.The FBI search of the Florida resort was related to Trump's handling of presidential records, including classified...
So if Trump ends up barred from holding office, that really opens the door for DeSantis which might not be great for the Dems.
I only really know DeSantis from when he pulls a DeSantis that gets national attention. I know the fear is that he is a more competent Trump, but from what I’ve heard he lacks the personality essential to getting Trump supporters fired up and the left mostly just knows him from pulling DeSantis. He’s actively creating new baggage. In a way I think he owes a great deal to Trump and Abbot for making him look not that bad or extreme. But Republican voters need to vote for somebody and I think the party has decided a candidate who isn’t hugely divisive isn’t a winning strategy.
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You mean someone who can talk like a populist but call Democrats marxists and somehow still get behind tax breaks for the wealthy when it comes to put pen to legislative programs? How hard can it be, the GOP has been grooming these guys since the 90s from the grassroots on up. That populist veneer only became a necessity for national candidates when Bernie Sanders popped up outta nowhere on the left in 2016!
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I imagine that Garland, Wray, the DOJ, and the FBI are well aware of the stakes and consequences of their actions here. Given what they're going up against, expect every risk they take to be calculated to the nth degree.
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As Frank Figliuzzi mentioned on MSNBC, Trump would have been given a copy of that, as well as a receipt of items seized. So Trump HIMSELF has the ability to clear at least some of this up. There would probably be redactions and things of that nature depending the contents/sensitivity of the documents they were looking for, but he can easily clear a lot up. My guess is he won't, because he doesn't want to incriminate himself, and the mystery is a bigger sell to his base.
This guy is a liar. He absolutely didn't come to that sudden realization in the four hours before that tweet. They've crossed the threshold from fervent sycophants into full-on cultists quite a long time ago. As a Christian Conservative, pledging your allegiance to Trump I guess is the "christ-like" thing to do these days.
I'm sure they'll go to war just because FBI agents took some documents from his golf club, but break in someone's door with a faulty warrant and shoot an innocent person to death? "Eh, she was asking for it, she hung around bad people!"
Seriously, f**** these cultists. At least now they can have something real happening to be upset about instead of non-existent voter fraud.
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Yeah. Their immediately past issue though was the 90-day forbearance window coming up before a general election. It's hard not to view the timing of this raid in that context. The norm and expectation is that they would not announce prosecutions during that window if that might affect outcome of an election.
It's (remotely? certainly?) possible that sealed indictment(s) have already been issued as a result of the raid. We might not know that for some time now though. And neither Trump nor his lawyers nor anyone else outside the prosecutorial team and grand jury would have been notified, barring a leak.
An interesting question is whether the prospect of an indictment could affect Trump's decision on whether and when to announce a run for President in 2024, and whether Trump's lawyers believe he already may have been indicted as a result of the raid yesterday.
An indictment doesn't preclude Trump from trying to run again for public office --certainly not when his legal beagles are likely to pursue the idea in court that the Constitution defines the ONLY qualifications needed to run for that high office-- but his lawyers and other advisors may try to persuade him to delay. Steve Bannon and his his ilk of course have been hollering for him to go ahead and throw his hat in the ring...
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Right? "I was never arrested until I robbed the bank! Ever!"
Ok?
Republicans are now literally just arguing Trump is above the law. I haven't even heard anyone argue for his innocence, just that they shouldn't have went to his home and taken stuff. What were they supposed to do? They've been trying to get what they're after for fifteen months, and clearly it wasn't working (or they've been tipped off to additional crimes). Who really knows, but the FBI treated him far better than they did Breona Taylor and other victims who were injured or scared to death by faulty no-knock warrants from police departments. The FBI called the Secret Service (whom one Fox analyst argued should have "protected" Trump, whatever that means...) and warned them that they were coming by, and did so in plain clothes so as not to create a scene.
This is all typical GOP gaslighting and riling up the base. It has no factual merit. Trump was treated the same as anyone else. Chris Wray is the man Trump appointed. Garland is a well-respected and qualified man - even the GOP lavished praise on him when they refused to hold a vote for him as a Supreme Court justice. It was a power-grab, not an anti-Garland maneuver. The justice department is made up of all sorts of men and women of different political ideologies. I'm sure there are people who are staunch Trumpers in the JD, they're just not cultists and are capable of separating their political opinions from their actual job. This whole "deep state" garbage or whining that its "the democrats" is just a way to whip up the anger of their base and turn out the vote. That's all republicans care about. Trump is popular with their base, so they follow the lead.
When you stand on the sidelines, its very clear that Fox News, the GOP and all their enablers think - seemingly correctly - their base are idiots who believe anything they are told. The GOP are still riding this thing out until it crashes down around them, but when the fire gets too hot to handle, they'll be the first to do an about-face and pretend they were always against Trump and what he stands for.
Frankly, while I'm tired of the Trump shit-show, it looks like its here to stay for some time, so at this point I really don't care if he runs again. He lost the popular vote twice and he turns out voters against him as much as he does his own, so I find it hard to believe he could win another race, and if we thought things got ugly when a chunk of republicans who actually lost got mad and were convinced they won, things will get REALLY ugly if Trump loses - again - and they try to shove him into office anyways by committing the same fraud and deceit they lie about. Simply put, these people are a loud minority, not a silent majority.
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The meltdown is real... It will gin up their base but it looks bad to the rest of the country.
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The Mar-a-Lago Raid Has Led to a Full-On GOP Meltdown
Republican officials are spiraling, warning of a coming DOJ-led police state.
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This is the House for ya. Hotheads all the way. It's why we have a Senate.The meltdown is real... It will gin up their base but it looks bad to the rest of the country.
The Mar-a-Lago Raid Has Led to a Full-On GOP Meltdown
Republican officials are spiraling, warning of a coming DOJ-led police state.
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(and those guys atop the GOP in that chamber aren't saying anything right now)
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Ah, but there’s the Trump clause… “Except for me”. The electoral college is a disaster for democracy - unless he wins, then it’s brilliant. Only guilty people plead the fifth… unless I do it. Etc.
This was discussed earlier today on MSNBC, and of course it would be naive to think that timing played no role in this. But that's not unique to the DoJ/FBI or any local police department or investigation of any sort.
And I fully expect Trump to announce he is running any day now.
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Meanwhile it's hard to tell whether multiple House investigations are converging in recent DoJ activities.
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1557131745539117057/
Edit: and ya gotta love this reply...
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1557133936345727019/
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1557131745539117057/
Edit: and ya gotta love this reply...
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1557133936345727019/
