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Agree. Taking it as a sign of surrender is a very premature conclusion in the absence of additional information.
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Option 3 for me as well.
Occupying an actively resisting population seldom ends well for the occupiers.
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I would think that this would break so many negotiation protocols that I can’t imagine the reaction, but I think the best place would be in a neutral territory where security could be guaranteed,
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They have already done it several times in the past.
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Yes.
In early 2013, shortly before I travelled to Kabul, I visited the decommissioned Pervomaisk missile base in Ukraine.
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I hope you're right. But Navalny went back to Russia voluntarily, eyes wide open, and look where he is now.
regarding negotiations;
I seriously doubt that Ukraine is about to surrender.
Both sides have been calling for negotiations since this started ......and both sides have been blaming the other side for not agreeing to have negotiations.
Al Jazeera's report;
It may be that the first negotiations will be merely each side defiantly making demands with no progress towards peace, but frankly negotiations are the way out of this crisis for both sides.
I seriously doubt that Ukraine is about to surrender.
Both sides have been calling for negotiations since this started ......and both sides have been blaming the other side for not agreeing to have negotiations.
Al Jazeera's report;
It may be that the first negotiations will be merely each side defiantly making demands with no progress towards peace, but frankly negotiations are the way out of this crisis for both sides.
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Re "talks", personally, I would prefer to see any such talks take place in a genuinely neutral (if geographically close) venue; Turkey would seem to me to be ideal for the purpose.
I do not trust Belarus, let alone its leader, or its bona fides, at all.
Failing that, my preference would be for third parties (i.e. diplomats from - for example - west Europe, and/or China) to accompany any team sent by Mr Zelensky, above all, if it includes himself.
Elsewhere, the number of countries closing their airspace to Russia is growing.
As of now, in addition to the Baltic states, Poland, UK, Finland, Ireland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic and Slovenia, others - such as Germany, Italy, and France have joined the countries closing their airspace to Russia.
I do not trust Belarus, let alone its leader, or its bona fides, at all.
Failing that, my preference would be for third parties (i.e. diplomats from - for example - west Europe, and/or China) to accompany any team sent by Mr Zelensky, above all, if it includes himself.
Elsewhere, the number of countries closing their airspace to Russia is growing.
As of now, in addition to the Baltic states, Poland, UK, Finland, Ireland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic and Slovenia, others - such as Germany, Italy, and France have joined the countries closing their airspace to Russia.
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But in his case martyrdom was always going to be an option.
In Zelenskyy's case (if he should go personally, which I doubt) there is backup and him dying or being held captive does not mean Ukraine capitulates. I would suspect quite the contrary.
But hell, when you're dealing with crazy people, all bets are off.
Meanwhile…
So much for Belarusian "neutrality".
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Wonder if that person has any relation to 'isawit'? This is from FoxNews last week. You know it's bad when the crazies on Fox say you're confused.
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This is the - my - concern, or problem, with Belarus.But in his case martyrdom was always going to be an option.
In Zelenskyy's case (if he should go personally, which I doubt) there is backup and him dying or being held captive does not mean Ukraine capitulates. I would suspect quite the contrary.
But hell, when you're dealing with crazy people, all bets are off.
Meanwhile…
So much for Belarusian "neutrality".
I do not see how they can credibly offer "a location" for negotiations and "safety guarantees" to Mr Zelensky and his party, if they themselves (almost uniquely in the world) are also an enthusiastic party to the aggression, assault and attack on Ukraine.
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Oh good lord.Wonder if that person has any relation to 'isawit'? This is from FoxNews last week. You know it's bad when the crazies on Fox say you're confused.
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Always with the Jesus!
Though that is insane… Jesus/Trump/Putin.
There are some very disturbed people around… and some really should not be near a keyboard.
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Killing Zelensky during a diplomatic meeting would be a very serious breach of all diplomatic rules, and customs, and a serious breach on how foreign politics is done. I don’t think that even Hitler or Stalin attempted that.
If Zelensky were to be killed during the talks, I’d expect no less than WW3.
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Trump is mean-spirited, a pathological liar, a con artist and he has cheated on his finances and each of his three wives. He also, to my knowledge, never goes to church. That these people somehow identify him as being religious just shows how deluded and sick they are.
And now there are idiots at CPAC telling the deplorables there that they believe the last election was stolen. This despite Trump losing dozens of court cases and every recount. They only believe it (if they really do) because the pathological liar said so.
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That’s why at Mass this morning the reading from the first letter of St Paul to the Corinthians stated: “thou shall see the revelation of Jesus in Trump and Putin.”
I hate when they do that. I truly do.
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How about a false flag operation then, with “Ukraine” attacking the Russian delegation or Belarus before the meeting?
At this point it's not clear that this initial meeting will be anything other than a show by both sides for public relations purposes. Perhaps a positive result would be a decision to have a ceasefire and let actual negotiations begin.....somewhere safe as Belarus is not to be trusted at all.
A neutral 3rd party site would definitely be required. As you say, perhaps Turkey, or a couple of days ago it was reported that Ukraine was asking Israel to facilitate negotiations
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You’d be mistaken, it’s been done before. And you will never guess by whom… three times.
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