The Democrat agenda 2022 and going forward

[Eric]

That wasn't my point at all and I have zero interest in what Hannity has to say.

I and many others believed Harris would be victorious on Nov. 5th running a campaign mostly about how awful trump would be for the country and democracy (being a convicted felon with another 4 dozen felonies to answer to, bragging about sexually assaulting women, fomenting an insurrection, etc, etc.).

I, along with millions of others, were dead wrong. And we'll soon be dealing with the awful consequences of trump winning.

Speak for yourself, I've been saying she was likely going to lose for months and am on record with it.

I have no problem owning I was wrong with my assessment. And acknowledging that Herdfan was spot-on. Hopefully the Dems will learn from that mistake.

Glad his constant and incessant disdain for everything you believe in has convinced you of the error of your ways. He will never give you an inch, but you seem okay with that so good on you if you don't mind.

 

[Citysnaps]

Glad his constant and incessant disdain for everything you believe in has convinced you of the error of your ways. He will never give you an inch, but you seem okay with that so good on you if you don't mind.

Is that tone (the use of "you" seven times) really necessary?

He didn't convince me of anything - I'm merely acknowledging he was correct. Election results (ie trump winning) and post-election analysis by The Atlantic and other journals did.

I'm not looking for, or expecting, Herdfan to give me anything.

 

[Eric]

Is that tone really necessary?

How you take that is up to you, I meant it as a compliment because not many people can say that about Herdfan with a straight face.

He didn't convince me of anything - I'm merely acknowledging he was correct. Election results (ie trump winning) and post-election analysis by The Atlantic and other journals did.

Yet he will never acknowledge when we're right about anything, ever. He's been owned on here over and over again with facts to his BS talking points and never once said "I acknowledge you're correct". Take this as a compliment man, you're willing to overlook something he clearly is not.

 

[Citysnaps]

How you take that is up to you, I meant it as a compliment because not many people can say that about Herdfan with a straight face.


Yet he will never acknowledge when we're right about anything, ever. He's been owned on here over and over again with facts to his BS talking points and never once said "I acknowledge you're correct". Take this as a compliment man, you're willing to overlook something he clearly is not.

I have no issues with Herdfan.

Yes... I disagree with him on most everything political. I have no problem with that. For me, what counts, is his character and the manner in which he engages others in discourse. I've yet to see him insult or engage in smarminess with me or anyone else here. I'd have a beer with him anytime.

 

[Eric]

I have no issues with Herdfan.

Yes... I disagree with him on most everything political. I have no problem with that. For me, what counts, is his character and the manner in which he engages others in discourse. I've yet to see him insult or engage in smarminess with me or anyone else here. I'd have a beer with him.

He may want to deport all the immigrants, deny women the rights to their own bodies, take away gay/trans rights and disregard law and order, but at least he's not smarmy about it.

 

[Citysnaps]

He may want to deport all the immigrants, deny women the rights to their own bodies, take away gay/trans rights and disregard law and order, but at least he's not smarmy about it.

Yep... And over that beer there would be a cordial discussion. Being curious about almost everything in life (that probably came from reading a lot of Feynman in the past), I'm always interested in what other people believe and why. And I'd tell him what my beliefs are and why. Maybe we'd both learn something. I'm just not into the needing to win thing.

 

[Alli]

He may want to deport all the immigrants, deny women the rights to their own bodies, take away gay/trans rights and disregard law and order, but at least he's not smarmy about it.

He’s been pretty forthright with his views on those issues. The man’s a dem at heart, but has party allegiance that overrides all other thought processes.

 

[Eric]

He’s been pretty forthright with his views on those issues. The man’s a dem at heart, but has party allegiance that overrides all other thought processes.

Gonna have to agree that we're from two completely different universes on this one. This is like saying Hitler was pro-Jew at heart. Not a single thing he's ever posted has shown he's even remotely pro-Democrat, in fact I would say even the thought of that would probably sicken him.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Gonna have to agree that we're from two completely different universes on this one. This is like saying Hitler was pro-Jew at heart. Not a single thing he's ever posted has shown he's even remotely pro-Democrat, in fact I would say even the thought of that would probably sicken him.

He spoke many democrat policies when he was still somewhat sane and better spoken, and palled around with them all. That was over once Obama became president and the grift took off.

 

[Edd]

Also, Dems aren’t in the habit of choosing boneheads as presidential candidates. Trump was never going to push out a Clinton or Obama, Dem voters are attracted to smarty pants. The GOP was his one and only choice.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

For the last couple years I've been listening to mostly center right never Trumper podcasts, possibly as a misguided belief that I was getting the right's perspective but agreeing on the threat of Trump. Over the last week those and progressive sources have been siting a recent article by a famously centrist New York Times journalist where he said maybe the Democrats do need a Bernie Sanders-like candidate which he admits makes him uncomfortable.

Where I'm saying I was misguided, the never Trumpers absolutely refuse to acknowledge we are living through late stage hyper capitalism. That's a bridge too far. They treat it like living in a horror movie where even just whispering the term will unleash an evil entity plowing through the forrest to wreak havoc on them, their family, and most importantly, their assets.

Strictly talking politicians here, and even more so up the chain. Republicans want actual power and want to use it. Democrats only want power with the money and opportunities it's associated with. That's not true!! Horse shit. They would rather take a loss of a political seat or legislation than upset their wealthy donors. If that's not starkly obvious to you even now, I don't know what to tell you.

The ONLY viable path forward for the Democrat party nationally going forward is economically socialist and socially libertarian. The herdfans of the world won't like this and therefor won't vote for it, but that's where the alternative option needs to be.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Also Democrats lack a narrative and defined villains beyond trump and a lot of voters need that. Like I said above, most of these villains are their wealthy donors.

You can't just willy nilly toss out policies.

Here's some money towards starting a small business.

Thanks, but I'm not looking to start a small business (not to mention Republicans are theoretically pro business also)

Her's some money towards buying a house.

Thanks, but I still can't afford to buy a house.

 

[GermanSuplex]

This will all sort itself out. Many Latinos who voted for Trump have friends and family here illegally, and they will say with a straight face they think Trump is only going after criminals.

Yo dunsky, being here illegally makes you a criminal - that was the entire point the right was making. You ARE the criminal they are talking about. If you’re a non-violent criminal, that just makes it easier for the authorities to find you. The friend or family member who is an honest soul but isn’t documented IS the criminal.

There aren’t enough rapists and murderers to require “mass deportations”. That will require lots of undocumented workers, family members, spouses, children and students.

 

[Eric]

This will all sort itself out. Many Latinos who voted for Trump have friends and family here illegally, and they will say with a straight face they think Trump is only going after criminals.

I'll be waiting and watching for this. I personally know several Latinos who are totally anti-immigrant even though their parents came here illegally. I mean just one generation and they're suddenly MAGA, better hope mom doesn't get rounded up and shipped back to the motherland.

 

[GermanSuplex]

They (the parents) came here illegally and got amnesty through Reagan. They know friends and family here illegally, but Trump isn’t talking about them. The immigrants of today are different - they are criminals. I think the dad voted for Harris and the kid for Trump because he likes Trump’s brashness. Good luck, sincerely.

Trump definitely won the “it’s different when it’s us” vote.

 

[Hrafn]

But all "stupid, racist, Nazi's" are actual Trump supporters and would never supported a Democrat.


We've seen your thoughts over the years, which largely align with racist Nazi's, even if behind a facade of being a Republican. I don't know if you've ever actually sided with Democratic party on a single issue and have rarely ever questioned Trump.

I do. I think it was about being ok with same sex marriage.

 

[Eric]

I do. I think it was about being ok with same sex marriage.

Consider it on the chopping block and when it happens you'll then see his defending them on it. I'll be sure to cite this post when it happens to nail down this point.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Fetterman told the Arabs in his state to enjoy the next Muslim ban. A more accurate criticism would be to tell them to enjoy Gaza getting turned into a parking lot and Zionist resort, but that would require him to speak against his own corruption. Either way the results of the Trump Presidency will become crystal clear on that region without any cheerleading needed. And honestly, it is kind of racist to assume all American Arabs give a shit about the Palestinians. They’d have to be exceedingly dumb to both feel that way and put Trump back in office as their champion.

 

[Hrafn]

Consider it on the chopping block and when it happens you'll then see his defending them on it. I'll be sure to cite this post when it happens to nail down this point.

"unfortunate, collateral damage, but all for the good of the country..."

 

[GermanSuplex]

There was a long-running Reddit thread of people who were anti-vax, anti-covid, and many of their social posts flouting protocols ended with the spouse or child asking for funeral donations.

Hopefully this won’t be as severe as COVID was, but I expect lots of buyer’s remorse fairly quickly.