The Democrat agenda 2022 and going forward

[Citysnaps]

He challenged the Administration on their border policy.

Really? And that's the load of evidence the prosecution submitted to the court and what their case is built on?

 

[Eric]

Time to revive this thread, Democrats have a lot of reflecting to do after this decisive loss. Pelosi is part of the old guard establishment and is clearly out of touch with how we got here. Time for her to go.

‘The Interview’: Nancy Pelosi Insists the Election Was Not a Rebuke of the Democrats

The former House Speaker reflects on Donald Trump’s victory, Kamala Harris’s candidacy and the future of the Democratic Party.

www.nytimes.com

Nancy Pelosi Insists the Election Was Not a Rebuke of the Democrats

 

[Herdfan]

Time to revive this thread, Democrats have a lot of reflecting to do after this decisive loss. Pelosi is part of the old guard establishment and is clearly out of touch with how we got here. Time for her to go.

‘The Interview’: Nancy Pelosi Insists the Election Was Not a Rebuke of the Democrats

The former House Speaker reflects on Donald Trump’s victory, Kamala Harris’s candidacy and the future of the Democratic Party.

www.nytimes.com

Nancy Pelosi Insists the Election Was Not a Rebuke of the Democrats

I have to say I am somewhat surprised by the fact that some Dems are now looking at what actually went wrong beyond "stupid, racist, Nazi Trump supporters".

I have some thoughts if you want to hear them....

 

[GermanSuplex]

I have to say I am somewhat surprised by the fact that some Dems are now looking at what actually went wrong beyond "stupid, racist, Nazi Trump supporters".

I mean, literal people who admit they are white supremacists or holocaust deniers love Trump, and Trump invited one of them to his house for dinner. I truly don’t know how people ignore that, but joke is on me, because they do.

 

[Renzatic]

I truly don’t know how people ignore that, but joke is on me, because they do.

"I don't approve of the way he treats that particular group of people, but I really do like his tax plan, and things have been kind of hard these last few years. I'm just looking out what's best for me and mine."

...and there's your reason. It's all bog standard basic self interest.

Also, having Fox News plant the idea that everything bad is Biden's fault in millions of people's heads, and talk about the Good Ole Days we all experienced during Trump's admin doesn't hurt.

 

[Eric]

I have to say I am somewhat surprised by the fact that some Dems are now looking at what actually went wrong beyond "stupid, racist, Nazi Trump supporters".

But all "stupid, racist, Nazi's" are actual Trump supporters and would never supported a Democrat.

I have some thoughts if you want to hear them....

We've seen your thoughts over the years, which largely align with racist Nazi's, even if behind a facade of being a Republican. I don't know if you've ever actually sided with Democratic party on a single issue and have rarely ever questioned Trump.

I'm personally on record here questioning my party on a regular basis, something you would never do even during the worst of times. So you can go ahead and spare us this same old one-sided crap.

 

[Yoused]

The Democrats have not had an "agenda" for half a century. The Republicans have an agenda and a lot of cohesion and resolve. They might want to take the country back to the '50s – we need to have the country taken back to the first half of the '40s, when Americans were encouraged to deal with Nazis and Fascists in an appropriate manner. Until the Democrats lead the charge against the RepubliSith, they will serve as little more than roll-over milquetost.

 

[Renzatic]

we need to have the country taken back to the first half of the '40s, when Americans were encouraged to deal with Nazis and Fascists in an appropriate manner. Until the Democrats lead the charge against the RepubliSith...

Well, if the rhetoric these last few days is anything to go by, it looks like everyone might just get that chance.

 

[Eric]

Well, if the rhetoric these last few days is anything to go by, it looks like everyone might just get that chance.

Yeah the whole "your body my choice" thing is leading the charge, off to a great start. At the same time this is what the American people want and we can't deny that, they want a hate filled, felon rapist as their president and who are we to stop them? They'll get what they ask for and all we can do is point and laugh all the way as we're powerless.

They'll have two years to not blow everything up or they'll lose both houses and historically speaking it's a natural party shift anyway. At no point will they be able to point to a Democrat as the cause of their failures.

 

[GermanSuplex]

I don’t expect Armageddon, I expect some pain, then a shift. I’m thinking there’s irony that I also believe the corporate swine who got us into this will be the last guardrail against it all imploding. They truly do have the power, for better or worse.

 

[Edd]

At no point will they be able to point to a Democrat as the cause of their failures.

And yet, they will. And their voters will believe it.

 

[Eric]

And yet, they will. And their voters will believe it.

At the same time we have to accept some responsibility for the way things turned out. Trump is a monster, I think we all agree, but the fact that he won by so much tells us how dissatisfied the American people are with the Democratic party and its agenda. I personally have a hard time just pointing fingers at the other side for this, time for some introspection and ownership.

 

[Renzatic]

I think we all agree, but the fact that he won by so much tells us how dissatisfied the American people are with the Democratic party and its agenda.

I think the biggest problem with democrats is that they're not very good at playing politics, and have spent the last 20 odd years acting perpetually surprised at the lengths their opposition is willing to go.

 

[Edd]

At the same time we have to accept some responsibility for the way things turned out. Trump is a monster, I think we all agree, but the fact that he won by so much tells us how dissatisfied the American people are with the Democratic party and its agenda. I personally have a hard time just pointing fingers at the other side for this, time for some introspection and ownership.

I agree with you to a point. But, the Trumpers are voting based on a set of “facts”. …as well as some racism, misogyny, blah, blah. Your post makes it sound like they’re actually informed; they are not, or don’t care about the actual facts.

 

[Citysnaps]

@Herdfan was correct about his past assessments... that large numbers of people were concerned about the state of the economy, rising costs of groceries, gas prices rising, getting ahead in life, home ownership being elusive, etc, etc. And that running on a platform of mostly trump is evil wasn't going to cut it (even though he is and is a threat to democracy). There were other factors as well, but not as important. I'm always interested in hearing what Herdfan has to say.

 

[Huntn]

Time to revive this thread, Democrats have a lot of reflecting to do after this decisive loss. Pelosi is part of the old guard establishment and is clearly out of touch with how we got here. Time for her to go.

‘The Interview’: Nancy Pelosi Insists the Election Was Not a Rebuke of the Democrats

The former House Speaker reflects on Donald Trump’s victory, Kamala Harris’s candidacy and the future of the Democratic Party.

www.nytimes.com

Nancy Pelosi Insists the Election Was Not a Rebuke of the Democrats

This is beyond reason and logic. It’s in the fantastical BS realm fueled by racism, corrupted theocracy, and xenophobia, and big fat lies about everything will be wonderful like it was 70 years ago when racism was the norm, and whitey ruled, because “The Head Liar says so”.

It was a loss of faith executed by human beings with an inhability to see the monsters beyond their hate and low cost eggs, or an inferno of a climate. It’s worrying about the basics of living, but not seeing that the house they live in is burning down in the mean time. The sheep have power in numbers, but hold blame because they are focused on the wrong thing. Of course, they’re fucking sheep, easily influenced and herded. Capitalism is the elephant, the huge cannibalistic factor, and socialism is evil, can’t have that, hell no. But they’ll be thrilled if they can kick the shit out of some other group of “less worthies”.

Gee, how to change their minds? Oh yeah promise them privilege and advantage at other’s expense, while we strip everything around them for profit, give the wealthy huge tax cuts, just give them someone to kick, and be sure not to tell them they are expendible, tell them we love them, and will take care of them, while we rob them blind, pollute their air and poison their water, the less educated and knowledgeable the better, they just want cheap eggs. Oh that’s easy suckers.

And apparently there’s only one way to appeal to the sheep, give them someone to hate and become bigger liars than the Republicans.

 

[Eric]

I have to say I am somewhat surprised by the fact that some Dems are now looking at what actually went wrong beyond "stupid, racist, Nazi Trump supporters".

I have some thoughts if you want to hear them....

I'm personally on record here questioning my party on a regular basis, something you would never do even during the worst of times. So you can go ahead and spare us this same old one-sided crap.

BTW that's not to say you can't speak your mind here, just that I personally won't be listening to it if you do.

 

[Eric]

@Herdfan was correct about his past assessments... that large numbers of people were concerned about the state of the economy, rising costs of groceries, gas prices rising, getting ahead in life, home ownership being elusive, etc, etc. And that running on a platform of mostly trump is evil wasn't going to cut it (even though he is and is a threat to democracy). There were other factors as well, but not as important. I'm always interested in hearing what Herdfan has to say.

IMO you may as well be listening to Sean Hannity and his ilk, they'll only ever tell you what's wrong with your side without ever conceding what's wrong with theirs. I'm always happy to have a discussion with those who are happy to meet in the middle, Herdfan will never be that guy.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Offer is still good for him to ever address Harris’ word salad vs. Trump’s.

Trump has won, being honest on a message board about Trump’s butchered sentences will not cost him the election.

 

[Citysnaps]

IMO you may as well be listening to Sean Hannity and his ilk, they'll only ever tell you what's wrong with your side without ever conceding what's wrong with theirs. I'm always happy to have a discussion with those who are happy to meet in the middle, Herdfan will never be that guy.

That wasn't my point at all and I have zero interest in what Hannity has to say.

I and many others believed Harris would be victorious on Nov. 5th running a campaign mostly about how awful trump would be for the country and democracy (being a convicted felon with another 4 dozen felonies to answer to, bragging about sexually assaulting women, fomenting an insurrection, etc, etc.).

I, along with many others, were dead wrong. And we'll soon be dealing with the awful consequences of trump winning.

I have no problem owning I was wrong with my assessment. And acknowledging that Herdfan was spot-on. Hopefully the Dems will learn from that mistake.