The Democrat agenda 2022 and going forward

This. He can do whatever he wants unchecked, it is just what it is and we need to shut up and accept it. I don't want to spend the next four years watching a bunch of toothless democrats trying to take bites out of Trump. Let him burn it all to the ground and maybe the people will wise up and vote for something different next time.

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GermanSuplex said:
There was a long-running Reddit thread of people who were anti-vax, anti-covid, and many of their social posts flouting protocols ended with the spouse or child asking for funeral donations.

Hopefully this won’t be as severe as COVID was, but I expect lots of buyer’s remorse fairly quickly.
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At least for now, democracy and “look how he handled covid” are dead marketing tools. The majority of voters have shown through voting for Trump or not voting at all that they don’t care about that.

I don’t remember what the exact phrase is, but shortly before the election and now after Trump is saying something that translates to “We need to make things economically worse before they get better.” Now the wallet voters are going “Wait, what? What does that even mean?”. I’ll tell you what the means.

First, is using our tax dollars to funnel even more money to those who already have more money than God through contract favoritism and privatizing everything possible. Greater benefit to the public is inconsequential in this equation and isn’t the point. Expect Musk to be the world’s first trillionaire by the end of his term.

At the same time turn our public education system into the Trump Youth which will create a permanent underclass that is infinitely exploitable and voting against your own self interests is the highest form of patriotism.

Other than the ultra rich, the only other group of people who will benefit from this is the militia types who at the end of the day only care about cracking skulls on behalf of their ideology while they live on their survivalist commune. The rest of us will just exist in a constant state of precarity and fear of the government loyalty police.

IMO the “Democracy!” hard sell needs to stop. During Trump’s first term, and even probably prior to that, his supporters determined democracy wasn’t working out for them (it’s actually capitalism and its corruption that isn’t working out for them, but whatever). After the results of this past election I can’t see how voters from the center to the left don’t come to the same conclusion. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be a democracy. I’m saying now isn’t the time to preach that as the ultimate savior when it clearly hasn’t been. Dial that rhetoric back a bit and find something more tangible people can be passionate about to fight this.
 
Musk’s on-paper wealth has increased 70 billion in days.

Looks like that paltry 130 million dollars and twitter trolling with white supremacists paid off well.

When they said there would be pain, they weren’t talking about for them.
 
I found this post in another forum to be enlightening, for your consumption:
Post in thread 'General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump'
https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/general-election-2024-harris-vs-trump.319554/post-528742

What we are seeing is the collapse of two somewhat in opposition political economic philosophies in, particularly the West.

The first is the collapse of neoliberalism and the so-called free market and the free trade of globalization. This collapse is moving somewhat in slow motion depending upon where you look. The second is more rapidly moving and that is the collapse of liberalism.

For decades the assumption is that people want democracy because they want freedom. This is false. People want freedom for themselves and those that are in their group. They, most assuredly, do not want freedom for those outside their group. Globalization and neoliberalism in economics run counter to the “freedom for me but not for thee” tribalism. While globalization and neoliberalism do not mean an opposition to such a stance they do mean that non-tribe people can potentially achieve something which tribalism deems should be reserved for the tribe.

Every problem facing the West and, indeed, much of the world must be looked at through the lenses of psychology and sociology. How do groups organize themselves and why do they organize in those ways. Nothing else is as important as this. Charlatans such as Trump, Orban, Putin et al all use the tools of tribal grievance.

No country is exempt from this. We note that Scandinavian countries are having immigration issues. It very well maybe that a large state/population democracy cannot survive without real maturation if it is not a homogeneous population.

Indeed, the United States has never been “United” except for few occasions.
 
Fancy way of saying the religious right and racists. And you can always get enough people to go along with you if you promise them they won’t be the ones on the chopping block. Though Trump did something remarkable - he did tell them they’d be on the chopping block and they signed up anyways. I don’t care, it is what it is. Those people who moved to Trump move back and forth all the time, they’re not “his” voters anymore than the ones who pushed Biden over the edge were progressive democrats.

The question is, will our system hold? I don’t know.

But there are a host of issues here. Trump being treated and covered as a far-right candidate instead of an unstable elderly individual who doesn’t make a lot of sense. The environment of too many choices (from streaming services to salad dressings). The rise of online everything that no longer requires you to read a paper, watch the news or read a book. Or even wait to hear a song you like on the radio or - even worse - save up the money to buy an album.

The internet has helped stupid people feel informed, when the data says people who watch Fox are less informed than people who don’t watch the news at all. I don’t think online news and social media helps that at all.

I say this with full understanding I’m as stupid as the next guy. I’m just also smart enough to know I want someone more intelligent than me to run the country, I just don’t want someone I feel like I could defeat in a 4th grade trivia class.
 
GermanSuplex said:
The internet has helped stupid people feel informed, when the data says people who watch Fox are less informed than people who don’t watch the news at all. I don’t think online news and social media helps that at all.
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The internet has also allowed (inspired?) people to carefully curate the public perception of their life to be a lot better and satisfying than it actually is. Then the followers go “Hey, my life isn’t like that and it makes me mad!”. Previous to the internet people would just look around their own city or town for comparison, and while that may not be a positive assessment depending where you live, it’s far better than the assumption that millions of other people are doing substantially better than you are because that’s what they are projecting.

Over the past year a lot of the content creators I follow on YouTube that have absolutely nothing to do with politics are posting videos on how their mental health isn’t great. They generally don’t get into why. They just share it isn’t doing well. There’s no shortage of reasons you can safely assume. BTW, the mental health of the wealthy isn’t great either. It’s just unfortunate for the rest of us that they have the connections and tools to take it out on the rest of us to blow off steam. Apply for your reapproved level of cannon fodder now!
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
The internet has also allowed (inspired?) people to carefully curate the public perception of their life to be a lot better and satisfying than it actually is. Then the followers go “Hey, my life isn’t like that and it makes me mad!”. Previous to the internet people would just look around their own city or town for comparison, and while that may not be a positive assessment depending where you live, it’s far better than the assumption that millions of other people are doing substantially better than you are because that’s what they are projecting.

Over the past year a lot of the content creators I follow on YouTube that have absolutely nothing to do with politics are posting videos on how their mental health isn’t great. They generally don’t get into why. They just share it isn’t doing well. There’s no shortage of reasons you can safely assume. BTW, the mental health of the wealthy isn’t great either. It’s just unfortunate for the rest of us that they have the connections and tools to take it out on the rest of us to blow off steam. Apply for your reapproved level of cannon fodder now!
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Musk and Trump seem like an unhappy power couple made in hell. Trump’s drug is “more”, and that addiction will not be satiated now that he’s won.
 
GermanSuplex said:
Musk and Trump seem like an unhappy power couple made in hell. Trump’s drug is “more”, and that addiction will not be satiated now that he’s won.
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Although the result might not be much different, I have some hope that Trump won’t give Musk as much power as he wants because he doesn’t want to be outshined by somebody the public will perceive as smarter than him and even Trump knows that Musk is an absolute embarrassing 0 on showmanship. There’s been more than once that Trump had a disapproving “what an idiot” glance towards Musk when sharing the stage.
 
Looks like Biden may get to confirm exactly or very close to the same number of federal judges, maybe a few more. That is good. Unfortunately, Trump gets another term and you can expect even younger and more conservative judges this time around. Trump had 234 in his first term, Biden has 213 with 31 awaiting confirmation.

Imagine the cretins we are creating today running for office tomorrow, in a system stacked with conservatives, the kinds of conservatives who think the conservatives of today (who are like the conservatives of the 60’s) are too modern. They are not joking when they rattle off all those years they know nothing about. They do know we had white male rule, slavery and lawlessness, and that alone is enough to sell a lot of them on “making America great again”. Gross.

 
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GermanSuplex said:
Looks like Biden may get to confirm exactly or very close to the same number of federal judges, maybe a few more. That is good. Unfortunately, Trump gets another term and you can expect even younger and more conservative judges this time around. Trump had 234 in his first term, Biden has 213 with 31 awaiting confirmation.

Imagine the cretins we are creating today running for office tomorrow, in a system stacked with conservatives, the kinds of conservatives who think the conservatives of today (who are like the conservatives of the 60’s) are too modern. They are not joking when they rattle off all those years they know nothing about. They do know we had white make rule, slavery and lawlessness, and that alone is enough to sell a lot of them on “making America great again”. Gross.

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...and many thought we were joking when some of us brought up becoming Gilead. Or to read Project 2025. Not to mention those who didn't understand how tariffs would affect them. SMDH.
 
www.thenation.com

The Left Didn’t Sink Kamala Harris. Here's What Did.

It’s easier to blame activists, but far more powerful forces have led Democrats to neglect the real crises facing Americans.
www.thenation.com www.thenation.com

This. I got into a verbal match with my Trump supporting friend over the weekend pretty much saying exactly this, but he wasn’t having it. To him it’s over wokeness.

While I won’t give him a complete pass, I will say he’s in good shape financially so to him dealing with woke people at work is his biggest annoyance. It’s like a weird elite that exists on the right, an expansion of “My problems are the only problems that matter.”
 
ArgoDuck said:
^ interesting. I almost added to my last post that populism doesn’t seem an accessible option for liberals, but ‘The Nation’ article cogently argues otherwise.
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Well, populism is traditionally facile and schizmatic, while liberalism trends toward inclusivity and complexity. Liberals/progressives simply need to find viable ways to explain how their policies would be good for the common clay of the new west, which means they need to craft a monosyllabic message that is concise and clear. That presents something of a challenge.
 
Eric said:
Speak for yourself, I've been saying she was likely going to lose for months and am on record with it.
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You were, but can I ask why you thought that?

I also thought Trump was going to win, but want to see if what I was seeing was similar to what you were seeing.

My reasons also go beyond Harris's mistakes as a candidate. Two main reasons, first Trump has always over-performed the polls. Call it the shy Trump voter, the obstinate GOP'er who won't even respond to polls or some other reason, but when a poll says tied, I would automatically add 2-3% points to Trump. Second, in terms of the popular vote, Harris would need to beat Trump by 2-3% to get over a 50% chance of winning the EC. So at a polling tie (which we had) Trump had an 85% chance to win the EC.

Now there is no way I foresaw what happened. Not sure anyone did outside of perhaps some campaign internals.
 
Herdfan said:
You were, but can I ask why you thought that?

I also thought Trump was going to win, but want to see if what I was seeing was similar to what you were seeing.

My reasons also go beyond Harris's mistakes as a candidate. Two main reasons, first Trump has always over-performed the polls. Call it the shy Trump voter, the obstinate GOP'er who won't even respond to polls or some other reason, but when a poll says tied, I would automatically add 2-3% points to Trump. Second, in terms of the popular vote, Harris would need to beat Trump by 2-3% to get over a 50% chance of winning the EC. So at a polling tie (which we had) Trump had an 85% chance to win the EC.

Now there is no way I foresaw what happened. Not sure anyone did outside of perhaps some campaign internals.
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I don't think Harris made many mistakes, in fact polls show that the people blamed Biden far more.

The main reason I was skeptical is because we all underestimated him in 2016 in almost the exact same ways. I don't think we can blame Kamala, she gave it her best effort but this country is flat out not ready to elect a woman, no matter who she is. I also think Trump won on the economy and immigration, which were the biggest concerns of voters.

It is what it is, I'm not thrilled with it but do believe in the process and he won decisively. The people have spoken and in many ways it's a relief because over the next two years anything that goes wrong will be 100% on Republicans.
 
Eric said:
I don't think Harris made many mistakes, in fact polls show that the people blamed Biden far more.

The main reason I was skeptical is because we all underestimated him in 2016 in almost the exact same ways. I don't think we can blame Kamala, she gave it her best effort but this country is flat out not ready to elect a woman, no matter who she is. I also think Trump won on the economy and immigration, which were the biggest concerns of voters.

It is what it is, I'm not thrilled with it but do believe in the process and he won decisively. The people have spoken and in many ways it's a relief because over the next two years anything that goes wrong will be 100% on Republicans.
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Incumbents all over the globe took a shellacking this year over the economy and Americans don’t care about “we did better than most.”

Also this:

www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump's mandate isn't as strong as it seems

Some political experts have questioned exactly how large a "mandate" President-elect Donald Trump has, despite his claims to the contrary.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

On Presidential mandate Trump is ranked 44th out of 51.
 
Trump also has the benefit of a cult of low-information voters who want a side of racism and WWE with their politics, and he got to campaign for two years.
 
Eric said:
I don't think Harris made many mistakes, in fact polls show that the people blamed Biden far more.

The main reason I was skeptical is because we all underestimated him in 2016 in almost the exact same ways. I don't think we can blame Kamala, she gave it her best effort but this country is flat out not ready to elect a woman, no matter who she is. I also think Trump won on the economy and immigration, which were the biggest concerns of voters.

It is what it is, I'm not thrilled with it but do believe in the process and he won decisively. The people have spoken and in many ways it's a relief because over the next two years anything that goes wrong will be 100% on Republicans.
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I think Harris made several mistakes. First, Walz while he seems to be a decent guy, was a horrible choice. At least from a strategic perspective. She was winning Minnesota no matter what. So he didn't get her anything there. A choice from a swing state such as Shapiro in PA or Kelly in AZ would have helped her carry those states. Of course in hindsight, it wouldn't have mattered, but no one knew that when the pick was made.

Second, she was horrible at answering questions. Even softball ones. After the election pundits on the left pointed to her not being ready to answer what she would have done differently from Biden. She was asked this several times, but the one from The View is the one that sticks out. How in the hell was she not prepared for this question? That answer should have been discussed among staff and committed to rote. And it is not just RW media saying this. The left wing pundity came out hard on this AFTER the election. Not sure why they didn't before when it may have mattered and could have changed things.

As to the economy and immigration: The economy is the tough one because of the inflation. And the inflation was created by printed COVID money. That was done and there was no going back and undoing it, but she could have been way more sympathetic to the struggles of some people. And had a plan to fix it that she could have articulated. She didn't.

On immigration, the Dems own this and it was an unforced error. In an mad dash to be less like Trump, they undid almost everything he put in place and it cost them. People are fine with immigration, but they will not stand for an invasion which is what was happening. The administration could have cracked down on it anytime they wanted, but waited until a few months before the election and by then it was too late.

Current polls suggest Harris is the 2028 front runner at like 41%. Really? Newsom is only at 8%. Double really? He is the one that scares me the most. But if they want to trot out Harris again, by all means do.

The Dems seemed to place all their chips on the abortion issue and it was simply too far down on this list of things most people cared about. Depending on the poll, it was anywhere from 4-6th place and most important to 8-10% of the people. That won't win elections especially when the Economy and Immigration are the top 2 and people trusted Trump more on these two issues.

Has anyone wondered why Jill who liked to dress in couch fabric most of the time wore a bright MAGA red outfit to vote?
 

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