The Republican Agenda 2021 and Forward

IIRC hydroxychloroquine was first promoted, vigorously, by one Elon Musk, who picked up on a shoddy and quickly disputed study conducted by a GP (again, IIRC) in Europe. The latter was meant with the best intentions I’m sure but inadequate statistical power is inadequate statistical power.

I guess Trump picked it up from Musk, and so I leave you with the thought it’s not just Kennedy Jnr we need to worry about in the health area…
 
Things Trump never did according the Herdfan.

He didn't look up, during the eclipse, when a reporter shouted at him not to look up.
He didn't try to to say there are bad people on both sides during the aftermath of a racist march through Charlottesville.
He never said that Mexico was going to pay for the wall.
He never made fun of a reporter with a disability during his 2016 presidential run.
He never apologized for his hot mike, when he was caught about grabbing women by the p***y, because he never said it.
He has never been convicted of a crime, or found liable in a lawsuit.
....
on and on it goes.
 
rdrr said:
Things Trump never did according the Herdfan.

He didn't look up, during the eclipse, when a reporter shouted at him not to look up.
He didn't try to to say there are bad people on both sides during the aftermath of a racist march through Charlottesville.
He never said that Mexico was going to pay for the wall.
He never made fun of a reporter with a disability during his 2016 presidential run.
He never apologized for his hot mike, when he was caught about grabbing women by the p***y, because he never said it.
He has never been convicted of a crime, or found liable in a lawsuit.
....
on and on it goes.
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If I have TDS, that’s non-Hodgkins TDS, for sure.
 
KingOfPain said:
Just watch 12 Angry Men. I doubt that it‘s that far from reality.

People like Ted Bundy are monsters that have no place in a civilized society.
But I think the real monsters haven‘t received the proper penalty, if any.

Trump botched the Covid response and told people to drink bleach. I‘m pretty sure this indirectly caused thousands of deaths.
Purdue Pharma possibly caused millions to become addicted to opiates. There were also countless deaths.

The justice system is bloody broken, because the people with millions of dollars get much better lawyers and receive a verdict that is laughable.
But if a black person is caught with phony money, they can count themselves lucky if they aren‘t killed by the police.

In January there will be a new president, who is a felon, and if we are lucky, democracy is more resistive than the justice system, which should have dealt with this conman and scammer before he was elected the first time.
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There very evil people who deserve death, agreed. My issue lays mostly with a justice system where racism is a known, and relying on human testimony can be an error resulting in an innocent person being convicted, the worst imo is if that innocent person is executed, likely based on racism. 🤔
 
GermanSuplex said:
Let’s face it, the “drink bleach” is a riff bore out Trump’s ridiculousness. Darth Vader never actually said “Luke, I am your father”, but it serves the purpose.

Defending that moment of Trump’s - definitely a highlight in a career full of homerun braindead dipshit diptard moments - there’s nothing you won’t defend.

I imagine if he was charged with 99 felony forcible rape counts and one count of petty theft, the defense would be “those panties were a parting gift, he didn’t steal ‘em!”
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Wat a second, he never said I am your father?? 🙃
 
KingOfPain said:
First of all, he did botch the Covid response, if you don't think so, you are frankly delusional.
EDIT: I stongly believe, had he done a halfway decent job in that department, he would have gotten a second term as the 45th president.

I stand corrected on the second part. Bleach poisioning apparently predates Trump's quote:
arstechnica.com

38% rise in bleach poisoning predates Trump’s suggestion, data shows

The National Poison Data System saw the growth of poisonings start weeks earlier.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

Here is the real quote (he did not mention bleach, but take the Family Feud style approach and and bleach will come up as the top disinfectant):

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Now I remember that my thought while watching that press conference coverage was:
Yes, let's check it right here, right now, on you! Let's see if something interesting happens...

If one has zero knowledge of how the human body works, one should just STFU when it comes to medical topics and let the professionals handle it. But Trump had replaced Fauci with Birx, who didn't correct him, either because she was embarrassed or didn't want to embarrass the president (I wonder if Fauci would have stayed silent).
But Trump is a narcissist, so of course he has to hog the microphone.

I would only expect the Trump quote from a child or a stupid person. I let you guess what Trump is.

Oh, and there is this:
www.forbes.com

Hydroxychloroquine, A Drug Trump Promoted To Treat Covid-19, Linked To 17,000 Deaths, Estimates Show

Trump promoted the use of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 treatment in the spring of 2020. A new study shows that the drug has been linked to approximately 17,000 deaths.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Part of Cheetos mental illness to convince himself he’s a genius, turning his fantasy into reality.
 
Huntn said:
And the rubes deserve the worst. It’s just too bad the rest of us end up suffering too. 😔
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There will be many examples of this falsely taking credit for things Biden did in his first 6 months as legislation often takes time to kick in and show results. Before the election I even heard a voter giving Trump credit for the CHIPS Act. They didn’t know much about it but were planning to “look into it”. I wonder if they’ll get to the part where Trump was nowhere near that thing.

I’d say there’s an equal chance that Trump might dial back his tariffs threat taking credit for Biden’s actions that suddenly matter and show results or he might still do the tariffs and blame the resulting inflation on Mexico and Canada doing nothing about immigrants and drugs passing through our borders. Fascism is always about the latter. It doesn’t want positive results. It wants enemies to scapegoat while the rich continue to get richer.
 
So, just to be clear, the Hydroxychloroquine story is much less asinine than the IV disinfectant insanity.

The reason HC initially generated a lot of hope was that it had been shown to block entry of the SARS-CoV-1 virus into cells (isolated from the original early 2000s SARS epidemic).
People were so desperate to find any treatment for Covid-19 (= SARS-CoV-2) that many immediately jumped on it, and were encouraged by rapid in vitro experiments showing HC also inhibited SARS-CoV-2 from entering cells. Many trials were rapidly started across the world. Unfortunately, they failed to show any useful impact on the disease.

The problem turned out to be that the viral cell-entry mechanism blocked by HC involved an acidic protease (HC increases the cellular pH). Turns out, SARS-CoV-1 depends on that protease to get in, SARS-CoV-2 does NOT, since can use a different, pH insensitive protease (TMPRSS2) to get in, making HC useless against SARS-CoV-2.

To confound the issue even more, the cell lines most widely used in labs for viral work lacked TMPRSS2, making SARS-CoV-2 look dependent of the HC-sensitive acidic protease, so the initial lab reports on using HC were very "promising", and only refuted once human cell lines carrying TMPRSS2 were tested...

Obviously, science does not influence the political debate... :rolleyes:
 
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cbum said:
So, just to be clear, the Hydroxychloroquine story is much less asinine than the IV disinfectant insanity.

The reason HC initially generated a lot of hope was that it had been shown to block entry of the SARS-CoV-1 virus into cells (isolated from the original early 2000s SARS epidemic).
People were so desperate to find any treatment for Covid-19 (= SARS-CoV-2) that many immediately jumped on it, and were encouraged by rapid in vitro experiments showing HC also inhibited SARS-CoV-2 from entering cells. Many trials were rapidly started started across the world. Unfortunately, they failed to show any useful impact on the disease.

The problem turned out to be that the viral cell-entry mechanism blocked by HC involved an acidic protease (HC increases the cellular pH). Turns out, SARS-CoV-1 depends on that protease to get in, SARS-CoV-2 does NOT, since can use a different, pH insensitive protease (TMPRSS2) to get in, making HC useless against SARS-CoV-2.

To confound the issue even more, the cell lines most widely used in labs for viral work lacked TMPRSS2, making SARS-CoV-2 look dependent of the HC-sensitive acidic protease, so the initial lab reports on using HC were very "promising", and only refuted once human cell lines carrying TMPRSS2 were tested...

Obviously, science does not influence the political debate... :rolleyes:
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Scientifically yes...

As a father of a nurse, I cannot tell you how badly it affected my oldest. Friends and family screaming, threatening, all because my child couldn't legally administer Hydroxychloroquine. The impact and stress of those days, has taken the drive and joy they felt going into the profession. Mind you my oldest graduated August 2019, and unfortunately as a new nurse they got a crash course in how awful humans can be.
 
On a possible positive note, a Senator suggested to Musk that he aims his DOGE hammer at the DOD which has never passed an audit and is home to the proverbial $5,000 hammer. With all the corruption and fraud rampant in the DOD we could probably cut our military budget in half and still have the exact same superior military. You’d think Tesla and Space X’s parts acquisitions might have some good insights into this (as would any private company), but there’s also a good chance Musk is friends with people who manufacture $5,000 hammers and it's not like he’s personally buying them.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
On a possible positive note, a Senator suggested to Musk that he aims his DOGE hammer at the DOD which has never passed an audit and is home to the proverbial $5,000 hammer.
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Do not mess with the Pentagon. As Uncle Dwight foretold us, the MIC holds the entire economy hostage. Start cutting in there and they will destroy entire cities without picking up a weapon. And, of course, we can clearly see that the economy has a severe case of Stockholm syndrome.
 
You can’t cut the military when Trump simultaneously wants to expand its capabilities to include carrying out mass deportations and dropping gas on people who protest him.
 
GermanSuplex said:
You can’t cut the military when Trump simultaneously wants to expand its capabilities to include carrying out mass deportations and dropping gas on people who protest him.
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You certainly _can_. Is it a good idea? Of course not, and it'll have long term ramifications. I don't think that matters to some.
 
Hrafn said:
You certainly _can_. Is it a good idea? Of course not, and it'll have long term ramifications. I don't think that matters to some.
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He's going too cut it even if he doesn't see it that way way. He's already planning on booting anyone not cishet. He wants to deport all the brown soldiers. Payroll will drop caused there won't be anyone left.
 
Our new overlords.

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