The Trump Indictment Thread

Knowing nothing will happen before the election this seems like Jack Smith's way to stick it to Trump and TBH he has it coming. If Smith is going to be dropped from the entire thing in the event Trump wins he'll at least go down having done all he could to shed light on it.
 
Trump is why I really don’t believe in karma, no matter how nice it sounds. The amount of breaks he gets, and the special pleading done on his behalf, only rivals religion. The way he and his supporters openly admit their crimes while simultaneously projecting their shortcomings onto others is pathetic.

Whether it’s avoiding any consequences from his convictions, avoiding prosecution or merely winning all the coin tosses for the debates, some people are just born lucky and immune to karma.
 
Trump is why I really don’t believe in karma, no matter how nice it sounds. The amount of breaks he gets, and the special pleading done on his behalf, only rivals religion. The way he and his supporters openly admit their crimes while simultaneously projecting their shortcomings onto others is pathetic.

Whether it’s avoiding any consequences from his convictions, avoiding prosecution or merely winning all the coin tosses for the debates, some people are just born lucky and immune to karma.
Definitely true Trump hasn’t suffered the legal consequences he richly deserves. But he’s not a happy man, I reckon. He treats everyone poorly and probably knows the people around him despise him, including his wife. He wants adoration, which he gets superficially at rallies but it’ll never be enough because none of it is real. There’s not enough McDonalds milkshakes in the world to fill the void. His more substantive repercussions are coming, just not quick enough for me.
 
Definitely true Trump hasn’t suffered the legal consequences he richly deserves. But he’s not a happy man, I reckon. He treats everyone poorly and probably knows the people around him despise him, including his wife. He wants adoration, which he gets superficially at rallies but it’ll never be enough because none of it is real. There’s not enough McDonalds milkshakes in the world to fill the void. His more substantive repercussions are coming, just not quick enough for me.
I just hope the medical research on reversing dementia doesn't have a break through before he eventually meets his maker.

I apologize if I offended anyone with a love one suffering dementia. my wish is only directed at him.
 
Knowing nothing will happen before the election this seems like Jack Smith's way to stick it to Trump and TBH he has it coming. If Smith is going to be dropped from the entire thing in the event Trump wins he'll at least go down having done all he could to shed light on it.
I stand corrected, turns out the judge chose to release this now and Smith had no idea when she would do it.
 

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The image at the top of this post is the front page of the New York Times ten days before the Donald Trump-Hillary Clinton election of 2016. The news that dominated the “above the fold” territory on that page, with a big photo and three separate stories, is something that deserved to be at most an asterisk in history. That was Jamey Comey’s announcement that leaked Clinton emails had been found on Rep. Anthony Weiner’s cell phone. Not long afterwards, the importance of this finding was determined to be nil.

The only reason the Comey-Weiner episode is more than an asterisk in history is that last-minute saturation coverage of it, exemplified by this NYTfront page, could well have made the difference in tipping the 2016 election toward Donald Trump.

To the best of my awareness, no one in a position of responsibility at the New York Times has ever taken responsibility for, or answered questions about, the thinking behind this coverage.


The image below is the front page of the New York Times this morning. This is the first morning’s paper since bombshell revelations yesterday, from special counsel Jack Smith’s pleadings to the DC Federal Court. In substantive importance, Smith’s filing can best be compared to Richard Nixon’s Watergate tapes.

See if you can detect any slight difference in the two stories’ prominence and play.
 
I understand the NYT is traditionally the “paper of record”, but I wonder how much of an effect this really has as the NYT has faded in prominence, even back in 2016.

Also, is the implication that the NYT is somehow in the tank for Trump?
 
Also, is the implication that the NYT is somehow in the tank for Trump?
That seems to be the current consensus with the some of the left. However at this point I feel it's not necessarily that they are in the tank for Trump, I think most MSM know they sell make more $ with him being in the headlines every single day, than with a normal administration in the office.
 
I understand the NYT is traditionally the “paper of record”, but I wonder how much of an effect this really has as the NYT has faded in prominence, even back in 2016.

Also, is the implication that the NYT is somehow in the tank for Trump?

That seems to be the current consensus with the some of the left. However at this point I feel it's not necessarily that they are in the tank for Trump, I think most MSM know they sell make more $ with him being in the headlines every single day, than with a normal administration in the office.
I think for a lot of people, especially journalists who have been critical of the NYT and much of the mainstream press coverage of Trump it has less to do with personally wanting Trump to win either for financial reasons or being philosophically in tune with him as a whole but a toxic mix of factors that has been building within journalism for decades and which the NYT, as the paper of record, is the prime example of. The NYT has something like 11 million subscribers and has huge influence on other media. Yes that influence is declining, but that decline has its own consequences. This is a huge topic and people much more experience than I have written voluminously on the subject. I'll try to condense the various arguments and summarize the factors as briefly as I can:

1) As the mainstream press in general has begin to decline in prominence and, especially as ad revenue has declined, papers and outfits have struggled with how to cope. Many of found refuge with billionaire owners and yes this can be a source of tension. However, with the NYT in particular they have been more successful than most at maintaining and even growing a large subscription base. The NYT has certain ideas not only about how to appeal to the largest possible demographic but also to demonstrate independence from their subscribers who they see as left leaning.

2) While there may be some who see financial success because Trump is in the news, it can be more complicated than that. The NYT is a bastion of so-called "inside baseball" or "savvy" political coverage where sources tell them what is "actually" happening behind the scenes. However, this invariably focuses the writers and editors not on what is materially important for people to know, but what their sources think is materially important for people to know. And spend enough time cultivating those sources and they become a precious commodity. This process of cultivation can itself influence the thinking of editors and reporters, even sub-consciously: they're important to you so what's important to them is important to you. This can even lead to the idea that what a politician says they're doing in private to the journalist (or what a staffer source leaks) is more important than what they are actually doing in the public eye. This becomes almost the ability to hide what you're doing by doing it in plain site in front of everyone. By doing it in plain site, it's not what's "actually happening".

3) There has been a decline in public trust in journalism, especially from the right. This has led to decades of Republicans especially "working the refs". This is also coupled with a longstanding journalistic principle of being "neutral" or, more importantly, being seen to be so. We can see politicians complain about this idea for decades (though no doubt those same politicians happily took advantage of this when they weren't the ones on the receiving end). This is a huge topic with so many tendrils and consequences it would be hard to list them all and maintain a reasonable length post. Bottom line: the Republicans especially have found it very easy to manipulate the media coverage under guise of neutrality and as they have progressed off the cliff face of reality well ... if you're neutral rather than objective ... you have to follow them at least part of the way down. So if you're striving to hard not be "political" in your non-editorial section of the paper (and the editorial section is a whole other problem with this), you end up being very political because an "balanced" coverage of events according to neutrality is actually quite unbalanced with reality. An example of this is "sane-washing" Trump or talking seriously about mass deportations as a housing policy but not as a human policy.

4) One of them consequent to 3 (and 1) is a certain defensiveness to criticism. The NYT famously got rid of a public editor (basically someone pseudo-employed by the paper but who was outside of the paper's normal hierarchy and whose main job was to focus on what the paper did right and wrong and write about that). At the time they wrote that with the rise of social media that they didn't need one because the public would tell them directly. But see point 1, they want to be "independent" from their "liberal readers". They also see criticism from both sides as proof that they are doing the job right. They feel the need to defend themselves because to admit wrong doing would admit their entire premise of how journalism should be conducted is wrong and that would be their life's work. They are also arrogant, especially the NYT. "How can than have made any mistakes? We're the best!" The NYT has categorically refused to admit that maybe its 2016 coverage wasn't the best and criticism of it has has led them to double down - almost like a toddler's oppositional defiance. This can also lead them to being petty and vindictive towards politicians who slight them, especially liberal ones who may feel much more pressure than conservative ones who the NYT knows give much less of a NYC rat's ass what the NYT thinks and even that being criticized by the NYT is a necessary part of being a conservative/Republican politician. Thus it isn't as effective to criticize them, thus the NYT doesn't partake in at as much as they should. As with points 2 and 3, being shameless is a super power.

This is not to say that there aren't explicitly Trump/Republican aligned people within these institutions and that those have an effect or of course entire such journalism outfits, e.g. Murdoch-owned ones. But this is a collection of some of the points, not an exhaustive one, e.g. the idea of politics as entertainment and a horse race wasn't even touched (and there are so many more), of "what's gone wrong" with journalism and media as a whole beyond that and why they've been putting their thumb on the scale while loudly proclaiming that they are not doing so. Naturally a conservative would dispute all of this, but frankly the proof is that Trump exists and continues to be able to operate in the media and political environment which is almost tailor-made for someone like him to succeed. In a healthy political and media environment, he'd been run out on a rail after his first press conference coming down the golden escalator. Of course, in a healthy legal environment, his wealth would not have shielded him from accountability for his fraud and in a healthy entertainment environment he would never have been propped up as a great businessman, which he isn't. Thus, he would never have been in a position to run. So of course many, many things had to go wrong from our politics to our legal system and our journalism media is just a piece of that, perhaps a reflection of the issues we face as a society - as I think I wrote once before in these forums, all of this above assumes our media should be better than us as a whole rather than distorted reflection of who we are or who we perceive ourselves to be. One of the main counterarguments, which you'll be shocked to hear I find wholly unsound from a philosophical, even causal, perspective, is that we the people elected him so "normalizing" him is just a reflection of what we already did. Again, completely backwards since the media was predominately responsible for creating the myth of Trump the businessman out of whole cloth in the first place and have been conditioned for years by that by points 1-4 and all the others I didn't get to (bonus point below).

5) This is really hard to write about and I'm less versed here, so I almost left it off, but I put it here at the end as a bonus section as I still think its important. For all the guff about the mainstream media being liberal and so forth, when it is liberal it is often a particular kind of liberal - the wealthy white male liberal - and when they try to bend over backwards to not appear liberal, its antithesis, rather than other modalities (never mind the wealthy white male conservative). Basically take the example of after Trump's victory in 2016 how much focus was on the supposed "forgotten" person who was white man in a midwest diner from the once-blue wall as opposed to after 2020's Biden's victory and the D's Senate upset the comparative lack of focus on the same people, but often black and female, in Georgia or the black belt (called so because of the farming not the people). This isn't because of necessarily explicit racism or sexism, but an inherent, reflex view of what's important based on the people who make up our journalistic institutions and its power structures. Actually minority voices are ... well ... a minority despite minorities slowly becoming a the majority and of course women making up more than half the population - but much less than that in positions of power and institutional culture has a way of shaping people, or perhaps filtering people, beyond personal identity.

Sorry for the long post, hope it was interesting.
 
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Sinclair Broadcast group killed my local news with conservative talking points fed to their affiliates throughout the country . Before, the local news was as non-partisan as could be, and you never knew the political leanings of the journalists. We also had way better investigativw pieces on local issues - a big-news feel for a rather small news network, and the pieces were very informative and necessary.

All of that is gone - and to top it off, all the meteorologists made better predictions in the 90’s and early 00’s as well, though that’s slightly less pressing.
 
Sinclair Broadcast group killed my local news with conservative talking points fed to their affiliates throughout the country . Before, the local news was as non-partisan as could be, and you never knew the political leanings of the journalists. We also had way better investigativw pieces on local issues - a big-news feel for a rather small news network, and the pieces were very informative and necessary.

All of that is gone - and to top it off, all the meteorologists made better predictions in the 90’s and early 00’s as well, though that’s slightly less pressing.
Yeah, I remember John Oliver talking about how Sinclair Broadcasting was destroying local news broadcasts. I cannot believe it's been 7 years since this piece.

 
Could not agree more with Judge Chutkan here.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who oversees the trial proceedings, released the information against objections from Trump, suggesting his desire to shield the information due to the election amounted to its own form of interference.

“If the court withheld information that the public otherwise had a right to access solely because of the potential political consequences of releasing it, that withholding could itself constitute—or appear to be— election interference,” she wrote in a Thursday night order requiring their release.


 
Could not agree more with Judge Chutkan here.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who oversees the trial proceedings, released the information against objections from Trump, suggesting his desire to shield the information due to the election amounted to its own form of interference.

“If the court withheld information that the public otherwise had a right to access solely because of the potential political consequences of releasing it, that withholding could itself constitute—or appear to be— election interference,” she wrote in a Thursday night order requiring their release.



Holy smokes on the 1,900 pages of evidence. That's astonishing!
 
He’s running out of gas and Harris keeps getting better day by day. He’s tired, slurring, cancelling events (and you know even he knows it, because he slammed Harris for not showing up to the rich folks dinner in NY).

He looks like a melting orange-colored wax candle that was once in the form of a saggy, haggy, baggy old lady.

If you don’t remember, I’d urge you to watch a clip of Trump on Election Day 2020, speaking to his campaign staff. I remember thinking he looked like a man who knew he was going to lose. He looks the same this time around, except progressively worse by the day.
 
These are pretty much all dead. Judge Merchan has agreed to delay sentencing at the request of both parties.

However, Meadows lost his bid to move his GA case to the federal court, the US Supreme Court declined to hear his case.

My guess is Trump will pressure Kemp to kill the case.
 
At this point Trump could take an oozie and mow down a bunch of little kids in the street and get away with it, in fact I'm sure the American people would applaud him for it at this point.

The time for all the attempted litigation is over and we just need to accept he's above the law in every possible way. Let's hope the democrats focus on what they've done wrong over the last four years and work to fix themselves, not spend their time trying to bring down Trump.
 
How did we get to the point where a low-IQ steak salesman successfully defeated state and federal governments and brainwashed half a country? Truly remarkable.

I’m more than happy to be in the minority who sees Trump as the same dimwit they saw in 2015 (or before). He’s not interesting or charismatic to me. He’s not a showman, smart or sharp. He’s an oaf who stumbles his way through life while pulling others down, and people cheer it. I have no issue losing an election. This guy is dense and I’m not budging. I will have to readjust with the knowledge that I may be as equally stupid as the people around me, but maybe I’m shallow too because I don’t want a ridiculous-looking granny who’s dumber than a broken dildo running the country.

Looking forward to see which Trump cult republican is the first to face his wrath when something is a bridge too far. And they can’t blame dems. Should he interesting to see how MAGA reacts if their chosen candidate isn’t picked for Senate majority leader.

He’s still a criminal too - just one with a big cult and a lot of money.
 
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