The Trump Indictment Thread

Trump went to court today to have his defamation ruling overturned.

This probably would have been much more quiet, but he decided to show up (which the judge noted - as he didn’t even attend the original trial, and they called no witnesses).

He then spoke for over 45 minutes after the hearing, and probably defamed E. Jean Carroll and a witness.

Then he chastised his lawyers, with his lawyers right behind him.

What does this shit-show add to his campaign?
 
GermanSuplex said:
Trump went to court today to have his defamation ruling overturned.

This probably would have been much more quiet, but he decided to show up (which the judge noted - as he didn’t even attend the original trial, and they called no witnesses).

He then spoke for over 45 minutes after the hearing, and probably defamed E. Jean Carroll and a witness.

Then he chastised his lawyers, with his lawyers right behind him.

What does this shit-show add to his campaign?
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you almost feel sorry for his lawyers. but they knew what would happen and I laugh at them choosing greed over dignity.
 
GermanSuplex said:
Trump went to court today to have his defamation ruling overturned.

This probably would have been much more quiet, but he decided to show up (which the judge noted - as he didn’t even attend the original trial, and they called no witnesses).

He then spoke for over 45 minutes after the hearing, and probably defamed E. Jean Carroll and a witness.

Then he chastised his lawyers, with his lawyers right behind him.

What does this shit-show add to his campaign?
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During his rant, Trump claimed a witness's account of him harassing her on a plane couldn't have happened, adding "she would not have been the chosen one," as if she wasn't attractive enough to warrant his attention. But someone better looking would have been OK? I'm sure his supporters, including so-called Christians, will laugh this off, as they did after the Access Hollywood tape came out in 2016. They're just as vile as he is.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
If Trump loses the election and the prosecutions proceed I wonder how quickly he’ll implement the frail old man in a wheel chair with an oxygen tank schtick that’s a favorite of his class when they tumble from their tower.
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They would accuse him of being impotent since he can’t walk, and he would do a moonwalk with a hardon into court the next day and tank his case. He’s that gullible and stupid.
 
If even a quarter of the few pages I glanced at are true, even our shitty Supreme Court would have a hard time arguing all of these were official acts. This was a full-on coup plot, which we all knew anyways. Trump intentionally leaned on outside “advisors” and legal counsel because he was seeking to break the law and find willing participants.

I do worry that the Supreme Court’s decision this summer means that they cleverly made it so that pretty much any prosecution of a former president has to make its way there, where they can rule on things on a case by case basis. Which I suppose is ok to avoid malicious prosecutions, but it also makes prosecuting blatant malice difficult.

Smith has a lot of info - lots of stuff from either text, email or possibly testimony from flippers. You may be able to believe the lines between personal/campaign and official business is blurry. And it is - but not when a guy is ignoring his official counsel and relying on outside knuckleheads working for the campaign, or just as his personal gopher.

Anyways, we all have eyes and ears, we know what happened and it’s painfully obvious. How long do I have to play along with these clowns and pretend this was all honorable work to fix a “rigged and stolen” election? It’s so juvenile - “I didn’t lose, you cheated!” - it’s giving me a headache to know people take it seriously.
 
shadow puppet said:
Just released:
Judge Chutkan has unsealed Jack Smith's 165-page redacted motion re presidential immunity.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.252.0.pdf
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Only up to page 72 (skipped a bunch of the preamble), but Holy F! The pressure Trump put on Pence! As much as I don't see eye to eye with that man on most everything, he stood tall in the face of adversity.

For those playing along, I asked Chatgpt to take a best guess of CC1 through CC6. YMMV in the guess work, but here is the output.

Based on publicly available information and context from legal filings related to the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, here’s a plausible identification of CC1 through CC6, although they aren't explicitly named in the legal document you provided:

  1. CC1: Likely Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal attorney. Giuliani was one of the most prominent figures pushing false claims of election fraud and played a key role in legal challenges aimed at overturning the election results. He also pressured state legislatures and officials to disregard the results.
  2. CC2: Likely John Eastman, a law professor and attorney who authored a controversial memo suggesting that the Vice President had the authority to reject electoral votes or delay certification. Eastman played a significant role in the legal strategy surrounding efforts to block the certification of Joe Biden’s victory.
  3. CC3: Likely Sidney Powell, an attorney who aggressively promoted unfounded conspiracy theories about widespread election fraud, particularly regarding voting machines. Powell filed several lawsuits (often referred to as "Kraken" lawsuits) that sought to overturn the election but were repeatedly dismissed.
  4. CC4: Likely Jeffrey Clark, a former Department of Justice official. Clark was involved in efforts to use the Department of Justice to support Trump's false claims of election fraud and proposed sending a letter to Georgia officials falsely asserting that the DOJ had identified irregularities in the election.
  5. CC5: Likely Kenneth Chesebro, a lawyer who helped coordinate the strategy for submitting alternate slates of electors in contested states. Chesebro was instrumental in organizing efforts to present fake electors in states that Trump lost.
  6. CC6: Likely Michael Roman, a Trump campaign official who was involved in efforts to promote the alternate electors' plan and oversee some of the logistical coordination related to those false electors.
These individuals have been widely reported as key figures in Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election and have been referenced in various indictments and legal motions related to the case.
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This grew legs fast and is all over the place right now.

Trump, being the absolute selfish asshole we've come to know and love.
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It's fun watching the same Republicans who applauded Comey for opening up the investigation on Hillary's emails just before the 2016 election now calling it a political hitjob when Smith does it to Trump.
 
Eric said:
It's fun watching the same Republicans who applauded Comey for opening up the investigation on Hillary's emails just before the 2016 election now calling it a political hitjob when Smith does it to Trump.
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If he would own up to his criminal enterprise he probably could have gotten a sweetheart deal and had all this behind him. I hope he loses and it all comes crashing down, and he gets convicted and imprisoned with little fanfare.

I’m watching Ari Melber - he has Peter Navarro fresh out of prison and Gordon Sondland one the show, in person, at the same time - right after he played clips of them and their testimony or public comments on Trump. Very unique, his is the best hour of TV news imo.
 
Judge Chutkan is not playing… Hopefully this will give any moderately credible lawyers he has left some pause before they continue their obstruction patterns.

“These accusations, for which Defendant provides no support, continue a pattern of defense filings focusing on political rhetoric rather than addressing the legal issues at hand,” Chutkan wrote. “Not only is that focus unresponsive and unhelpful to the court, but it is also unbefitting of experienced defense counsel and undermining of the judicial proceedings in this case.”
apple.news

Jack Smith lays out his case against Trump in vivid detail — POLITICO

In a newly unsealed legal brief, the special counsel revealed private, detailed conversations Trump had with GOP officials in his bid to subvert the 2020 election.
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