USA Election 2024

[GermanSuplex]

Don't have much time right now, but do you remember how Biden got elected? It wasn't because people loved Biden, but it was a vote against Trump. That seems to be a lot of the case right now going the other way. Had the Dems run some sort of primary or at least had an open convention where someone who is not as disliked as Kamala was nominated, I don't think it would be close.

The dems did run a primary, then the winner withdrew. It’s not the first time it’s happened, and if we keep a democracy, won’t be the last.

I can understand the logic - but this is the system we have. And while it’s only my opinion, I seriously doubt it would make a difference if it were Biden, Harris or anyone else - anyone who supports Trump isn’t simply against Harris because she didn’t win a primary. They are for Trump and they aren’t going anywhere. They had a choice too. I mean, here we are and you’re with Trump, so you can say you wouldn’t vote him if not for this or you kinda like Kennedy - all irrelevant, you’ll be checking the box for Trump, which is your free and fair right to do. But don’t tell me with a straight face you think Trump is respectful of that right, or will do anything to “secure” it. Please, don’t make me post a hundred different direct, verbatim quotes of his directly from his social media.

Anyways, it kinda makes sense that anyone pro-Trump would be intensely anti-Harris. I mean, I wouldn’t expect the party of white supremacy and white replacement theory to take kindly to any democrat or independent. But, I also wouldn’t expect them to worship a mental midget metro so you never know.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Don't have much time right now, but do you remember how Biden got elected? It wasn't because people loved Biden, but it was a vote against Trump. That seems to be a lot of the case right now going the other way. Had the Dems run some sort of primary or at least had an open convention where someone who is not as disliked as Kamala was nominated, I don't think it would be close.

yet trump is very unliked but the GOP sucked up to him like he is god.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Ted Cruz got his weasely arse smoked by Allred tonight.

 

[Hrafn]

The problem is that I work close with some folks who are die hard followers. At first I have been respectful of their choice and as long as we stayed away from any political conversation, which is difficult with any conversation with these folks, then I still viewed them as misguided. Now I just cannot... I want to shake them (which would get me fired) and scream WTaF???

I am completely in this boat as well.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Here’s Trump when confronted with numerous studies of his economic proposal raising the deficit by trillions..

“You’re wrong. You’re wrong”.

You ought to see his answer when asked if Google should be broken up. He totally ignored the question and started whining about Virginia voters not being purged from the records.

When asked about Google again, he just whined about how they were unfair to him, nothing about being a monopoly or anything.

Also pointed to a woman in the crowd and said migrants would murder her. Bragged about his cognitive exams again. Brought up “the weave”.

What a f****** dope.

 

[KingOfPain]

if this country wants convicted felon, racist, rapist, conman as their president it's their God given right. Gotta love democracy.

Relevant quote from the movie The Teahouse of the August Moon (1956):
Democracy is a system of self-determination. It's the right to make the wrong choice.

 

[dada_dave]

Relevant quote from the movie The Teahouse of the August Moon (1956):
Democracy is a system of self-determination. It's the right to make the wrong choice.

While true, there is the slight problem that the wrong choice can lead to the end of that Democracy. And in this particular case, the possibility is that the minority can end it for the majority. Either way is bad, but minority rule is a particularly nasty form of authoritarianism. It’s not clear our safeguards to prevent such a thing would hold under a second Trump presidency.

 

[Yoused]

someone who is not as disliked as Kamala

Really. Is that true, or are you still struggling to get Ms Clinton outta your head after all these years? I have not seen the deep-seated hostility toward Ms Harris as we saw against Ms Clinton.

 

[KingOfPain]

While true, there is the slight problem that the wrong choice can lead to the end of that Democracy. And in this particular case, the possibility is that the minority can end it for the majority.

I should have provided a bit more context. The quote was from a scene where an US Army Captain tries to explain democracy to villagers on Okinawa after WWII.
The whole movie is a bit of a satire and in the German dubbing the quote would be even more fitting (IIRC: "you can even vote for the wrong president").

The Teahouse of the August Moon (film) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Don't get me wrong, I also see the dangers of this election, and hope for the best outcome possible (i.e., as few elected Republicans as possible, since they actively try to undermine democracy).
The main reason why everything depends on a minority is the strange US voting system. Electoral collages might have made sense back when communication across the US took ages, but nowadays it's just rubbish. And that each state has two senators (apart from DC and Puerto Rico, which have none) regardless of their size or the number of citizens is simply undemocratic.
That the whole presidential election seems to hinge on a handfull of swing states is just bonkers to me.

 

[dada_dave]

I should have provided a bit more context. The quote was from a scene where an US Army Captain tries to explain democracy to villagers on Okinawa after WWII.
The whole movie is a bit of a satire and in the German dubbing the quote would be even more fitting (IIRC: "you can even vote for the wrong president").

I’ve seen the movie

Don't get me wrong, I also see the dangers of this election, and hope for the best outcome possible (i.e., as few elected Republicans as possible, since they actively try to undermine democracy).
The main reason why everything depends on a minority is the strange US voting system. Electoral collages might have made sense back when communication across the US took ages, but nowadays it's just rubbish. And that each state has two senators (apart from DC and Puerto Rico, which have none) regardless of their size or the number of citizens is simply undemocratic.
That the whole presidential election seems to hinge on a handfull of swing states is just bonkers to me.

Yeah frozen historical, I won’t say accident, but … compromise. It is kinda bonkers and very difficult to change. Reforming the system wouldn’t solve the primary problems, but … it certainly wouldn’t hurt.

 

[Eric]

IMO we should all be taking a closer look at Vance. Not sure Trump has 4 more years in him mentally of physically.

 

[cbum]

I don't think it would be close.

Perhaps, but the fact that it is (or appears to be) so close is a damning indictment of our system. Even considering T for the MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN THE WORLD is insane, regardless of any imagined political / policy benefits it could (but will not) yield.
Chaos is not government. Throw the bums out is not a governing principle. Get rid of everyone that does not look and talk like me, and is to blame for EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG is not a strategy.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee (actually, the smell is much, much worse).

 

[leman]

Perhaps, but the fact that it is (or appears to be) so close is a damning indictment of our system. Even considering T for the MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN THE WORLD is insane, regardless of any imagined political / policy benefits it could (but will not) yield.
Chaos is not government. Throw the bums out is not a governing principle. Get rid of everyone that does not look and talk like me, and is to blame for EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG is not a strategy.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee (actually, the smell is much, much worse).

Well, it's mostly a failure of the education system. To me it is entirely insane that a failed businessmen like Trump, who repeatedly demonstrates lack of basic understanding of economics, is perceived to be trustworthy in economic issues by the majority of Americans.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Right, if anyone is looking for Trump to actually help the country and the people they're smoking crack. His agenda will be full of pardons and retribution, he's flat out said that anyway so it won't be any surprise. Too many are not ready to see the country move forward.

Millions of Americans support and will vote for Trump because that pisses people off and that’s the extent of their interest. The reasons for this range from distrust of the government either through propaganda or personal experience to hatred of humanity outside their social circle. Once you realize this it explains all the seemingly inexplicable. What a lot of people see as disqualifying or concerning they see as a positive. They're done hoping for things to improve. They resent anybody who has it better than them. Now they just want others to suffer.

 

[Katbel]

IMO we should all be taking a closer look at Vance. Not sure Trump has 4 more years in him mentally of physically.

This morning I read Heather Cox Richardson newsletter
about what happened yesterday at his interview : a short excerpt but there’s more

Trump showed up almost an hour late to the event with moderator John Micklethwait, editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News. When he arrived, things went downhill fast. Micklethwait asked real questions about Trump’s approach to the economy, but the former president answered with aimless rants and campaign slogans that Micklethwait corrected, repeatedly redirecting Trump back to his actual questions. Trump quickly grew angry and combative.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Here’s a real possibility. Trump can’t complete a second term do to health or mental health issues. Then President Vance blanket pardons him and then on to fascist phase two.

But there’s a dark silver lining to this possibility. Even if Trump is completely paralyzed and has one remaining braincell he will absolutely refuse to leave office and the chickenshit betas in Congress will refuse to remove him. A vegetive Trump presidency would be better than Vance.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Well, it's mostly a failure of the education system. To me it is entirely insane that a failed businessmen like Trump, who repeatedly demonstrates lack of basic understanding of economical issues, is perceived to be trustworthy in economic issues by the majority of Americans.

It’s also the fault of our blind worship of celebrity and the wealthy starting in the 80’s to influencer culture where their only talent is being attractive and/or a lazy contrarian edgelord. For Trump supporters a successful conman still makes him a success to be emulated.

 

[Alli]

What do you think happened here? Do you know why it happened? Well here is an ABC News (I believe @Eric prefers network news links) story on it.

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www.realclearpolitics.com

I tried to get a link directly from ABC, but it would only play for a few seconds and then freeze. But this one actually works better because you can see what Kamala HQ posted vs what the news report states.

Edit: per @Eric's response, here is a new link. Important part at around the 2:00 mark.

So before you saw this, did you believe what you were seeing was:

1) 100% the truth
2) Some truth with some deception
3) 100% false.

Because let me tell you, I don't believe 90% of what the media shows. And that includes FoxNews. Gallup's recent polling on trust in media shows that only 31%

Americans' Trust in Media Remains at Trend Low

Americans' confidence in the media is at its lowest point, as Democrats' confidence is near the record low and Republicans' is almost nonexistent.

news.gallup.com

The interesting thing is that Independents are only at 27%. Kind of expect the far right to not trust them, but they have lost Independents as well. And with Democrats at 54%, they are close to going negative with them (lost 16% since 2022). So you may be in the 31% that believes what you are being fed, but the rest of the country doesn't. And this is an example why, but it isn't because Kamala HQ posted it. That is what they are kind of supposed to do, but that spread across the news networks like wildfire. Thankfully ABC News was honest enough to report the actual truth.

So as to the other things, I am not casting a judgement on you for posting them, I simply don't trust your sources. This could be why no one seems to care what Trump has reportedly done: they don't believe it. We have been misled by the media too many times.

 

[Herdfan]

If it actually happens, props to Kamala.

Rumors are she might go on Joe Rogan's podcast.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Rumors are she might go on Joe Rogan's podcast.

She should. He's convinced people to ignore the news. So she SHOULD go to those places that the crazy people still trust. Then they'll at least have an opportunity to hear her side of the story. I'm also pleased she's going on Fox for the same reason.

Maybe if more people would listen to her for 11 minutes they wouldn't say silly things like her answers are just word salad.