USA Election 2024

shadow puppet said:
From The Lincoln Project:
"More than 75,000 people. This is what turning the page looks like."

I think the orange whack job might lose his mind.

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dada_dave said:
Not only that, but it’s weird how the guy who claims he is so independent somehow exactly parrots Trump campaign talking points about Harris verbatim. Especially since in the case of gender reassignment surgery for inmates was actually a policy by the Bureau of Prisons developed during … checks notes … the Trump administration. Also … seriously who gives a flying fuck? Who think that’s costing the tax payers serious money? Why is that even an issue to vote against someone for?
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Exactly. I’m not trying to keep ranting about this (or maybe I am 😁), but this is what we mean by “sane-washing” or sanitizing Trump. And it’s important, because what kicked off this debate was the critique of Harris’ word salad. I provide word salad to Herdfan, and he immediately takes something Trump DID NOT say, projects it onto Harris, and discusses something on policy when the question was about words and messaging.

Here is what Trump said today…

“Who would want all this transgender operations all over the place, like at will, even if you’re in detention and want to transgender?”

There was no context on this issue before or after. That was literally his entire segment on the issue. (2:11:03) Immediately before it was immigrant criminals and immediately after it was her backtracking on fracking.

He didn’t whine about taxpayers funding surgeries. He didn’t mention prisoners or immigrants. He didn’t say “children under 18 should not be having these kind of surgeries”. He has no understanding of the issue, doesn’t want to and doesn’t care to. Some on the right would probably applaud that, but it solves nothing.

This was a debate about Harris’ alleged word salad, and instead, I get an interpretive opinion on policy. Totally skipped over the whole point of the post, which was his poor communication skills.

I’m really tired of the “what he meant to say was” arguments, because everyone can have an interpretation of what he “really meant”. You can have ten pro-Trump supporters and they’ll all sane wash his BS in a different manner, and you’ll have ten different debates about the same subject, all based on their interpretation of Trumpese.
 
Citysnaps said:
I don't think so. "Defund" was a poor choice of words. That literally means reduce a police department's yearly budget down to $0, or significantly reduce. That sounds snappy, but I don't believe that ever happened. Clearly that can't be done.

A better phrase would have been: Re-fund the police. Meaning restructuring policing to include mental health services, citizen patrols, using other methods of policing (for example, the San Francisco police department using drones), etc. That has happened and apparently works well.
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That there's too complicated. You can't put it in four words on a hat.
 
Katbel said:
There is a new book coming out -who's not writing a book this days?!
"In a new biography of Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) by Michael Tackett of The Associated Press, obtained by CNN, McConnell condemned the MAGA movement and blamed Trump for making it hard for the Republican Party to compete. He called Trump “not very smart, irascible, nasty, just about every quality you would not want somebody to have.” He also went after Florida senator Rick Scott for his leadership of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the party’s campaign arm."

It reminds me of The sorcerer 's apprentice , when Mickey has lost the power to control the brooms
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But he’s still going to vote for him, right? He’s the worst in his own right.
 
Are there states that don’t have a postage free mail-in ballot option? I don’t know why anybody in this current climate would want to go to a polling station. Even if you are voting for Trump there might be some bullshit from your side you’d rather not deal with. Or maybe that’s exactly what you are hoping for, like a mini rally sideshow, dunno. They're hoping to see the illusive voter fraudster in the wild.

In CA I mailed in my ballot and got emails both when it was received and when it was counted. I didn’t look beyond that but there should also be a digital record of what your votes were, or at least an option to opt in or out of that.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
Are there states that don’t have a postage free mail-in ballot option?
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I didn't even have to worry about postage. I filled my ballot out and dropped it off at the ballot dropbox outside the elections office (it's about a 2 mile drive). We were already going that direction, so it was super easy. Then I don't even have to be concerned about the USPS and mail delays. I dropped mine off over the weekend and got a text that it was accepted and will be counted yesterday. As an added bonus, it seems those drop boxes have pretty good fire suppression systems. Just in case. :ROFLMAO:
 
Huntn said:
But he’s still going to vote for him, right? He’s the worst in his own right.
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Yup. In my mind, McConnell is among the worst of the bunch. He could have avoided all this chaos by voting to convict Trump in his second impeachment trial – I think enough Republican senators would have gone along. It would have been better for the country and the party.
 
Some of you saw my point in an earlier post. Thank you. This article makes me feel less crazy for my concern.

www.dailykos.com

'Hundreds' of ballots burned in Democratic strongholds

With a competitive House race in the balance, arsonists set democracy on fire. Early Monday morning, ballot boxes at two locations in the Pacific Northwest were destroyed by fire—one in Vancouver, Washington, and another in Portland, Oregon—with...
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At the presidential level, Washington and Oregon are historically solid Democratic states, with Joe Biden winning them in 2020 by over 19 percentage points and 16 points, respectively.

However, there’s a crucial House race in Washington’s 3rd Congressional District between Democratic incumbent Marie Gluesenkamp Perez and Republican Joe Kent, whom Donald Trump endorsed. She narrowly won in 2022, with a margin of 2,633 votes over Kent, who also ran that year. Her victory was a shock in this red-tinted district, which 538 calculated as having a partisan lean of R+11.2.
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As investigations unfold, the potential implications of political provocateurs aiming to silence American voters extend beyond the immediate damage; they threaten voter confidence and participation in a democratic system already under strain by Trump and MAGA misinformation.
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MEJHarrison said:
I didn't even have to worry about postage. I filled my ballot out and dropped it off at the ballot dropbox outside the elections office (it's about a 2 mile drive). We were already going that direction, so it was super easy. Then I don't even have to be concerned about the USPS and mail delays. I dropped mine off over the weekend and got a text that it was accepted and will be counted yesterday. As an added bonus, it seems those drop boxes have pretty good fire suppression systems. Just in case. :ROFLMAO:
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If I lived in a swing or even a red state I would be concerned about drop boxes, less about box security, but more about “patriots” meandering around. I went old school mail box but with plenty of time in advance.
 
shadow puppet said:
Seen this?
So are we talking social security, medicare, higher taxes - what?

"We have to reduce spending to live within our means..." says the guy who has never had to reduce his spending in his life.

Personally, I'd like to see the billionaires endure some hardship.

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dada_dave said:
You don’t have to believe me, it turns out you can believe them. For those who think Trump will help those struggling, Elon Musk says “nope! And that’s a good thing!” Austerity baby!


Oh they promise that you’ll appreciate the economy they create … eventually.

This is why I tried to explain that economic indicators were that the Biden recovery was doing really well. That doesn’t mean everyone is doing great, of course not, we had just come out of a pandemic driven recession and inflationary spiral. But my god, compared to Reagan’s “Morning in America” the current economy is incredible - indeed best in the G7. Combine that with the Trump plan to literally crash the damn economy … yeah, I’m sticking with the Biden economy being bad for the working person being conservative propaganda.
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oh yes, not just audio, Twitter too. Basically openly saying they'll crash the economy but it'll be totally great ... eventually.
 

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