USA Election 2024

Roller said:
This election cycle is so odd, even compared to 2016 and 2020, that I don't think we can tell what would happen if Biden dropped out now. But the whole thing is a hot mess that is putting the country (and the world) at high risk.
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But nobody is advocating he leaves now, right?
 
Citysnaps said:
And that some Dem Senate/House members are complaining donations have significantly fallen off due to Biden's obstinance.
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I wish I could remember the article, but it was a link from a link. It must have been from a news org I knew or I would probably have remembered, but the gist of the article was the the donors were not only going to be holding back donations from Biden, but from Congressional races of those who have not called for him to step down. So publicly call for him to step aside, get your money.

The one thing I am trying to figure out is where he is getting his polls. Even the most generous polling shows them tied (within MoE), but Biden keeps talking about polling that is showing him up in all the swing states. (I am guessing he hasn't seen today's Emerson poll) Are they simply not telling him the truth or do they have internal polling that actually shows him being up?
 
Eric said:
Sounds like it's a good possibility he'll drop.

www.thedailybeast.com

Obama Joins Dems Urging Biden To Exit Presidential Race

Congressional lawmakers reportedly say Biden could end his reelection campaign as soon as this weekend.
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Top Dems Think Biden Could Exit Presidential Race This Weekend
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My money has been on Sunday for the announcement. Effective swearing in of the next Prez in January.
 
Nobody is pushing the narrative harder than dems. So yeah, I think he’ll drop out and then that just solidifies everything the other side has been saying, and then they win. Best of luck getting a new candidate, campaign and a win at this pace.
 
GermanSuplex said:
Nobody is pushing the narrative harder than dems. So yeah, I think he’ll drop out and then that just solidifies everything the other side has been saying, and then they win. Best of luck getting a new candidate, campaign and a win at this pace.
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Too many links for me to keep up with but polls are suggesting Biden is facing an almost insurmountable loss in the swing states. I agree we're likely to face a loss in November but it can't hurt to try anything at this point.
 
I think replacing Biden doesn’t automatically make the Dems look like a mess so much as looking like they’re deadly serious about beating Trump and actually moving on with the business of government. It shows the Dems aren’t a cult, while the Rs are in all but name.

Haven’t polls shown a number of other Dem presidential candidates beating Trump?
 
GermanSuplex said:
Nobody is pushing the narrative harder than dems. So yeah, I think he’ll drop out and then that just solidifies everything the other side has been saying, and then they win. Best of luck getting a new candidate, campaign and a win at this pace.
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Does it really matter what the other side is saying? I’d think the main goal right now should be winning the election. Individual ambitions or preferences seem like a secondary concern, given how high the stakes are. Recent french elections could be a good role model. It would make sense to me to go for the statistically highest chances. So I disagree with you - Biden staying would be more a confirmation of what the other side is saying, because that would put the ambition and reputation of a single family before that of the interest of the party and the people.
 
Edd said:
I think replacing Biden doesn’t automatically make the Dems look like a mess so much as looking like they’re deadly serious about beating Trump and actually moving on with the business of government. It shows the Dems aren’t a cult, while the Rs are in all but name.

Haven’t polls shown a number of other Dem presidential candidates beating Trump?
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Sadly I can only love this post once. The fact that we're not a cult is what sets us apart from MAGA and their ilk, we would never accept someone as corrupt as Trump. Indepence and free thinking are NOT what Republicans stand for, look how many of them disagree with Trump but still want to bend the knee to him.
 
If Biden does drop out, I hope they don't put Kamala in that seat. She doesn't bother me as much as some but if we are to win, we need someone like Newsom, etc. I'd love Pete Buttigieg, but don't think this country is ready for a gay President. But Pete would be a hell of a debater against Trump. I just want someone who can leave Trump in the dirt and WIN.
 
shadow puppet said:
If Biden does drop out, I hope they don't put Kamala in that seat. She doesn't bother me as much as some but if we are to win, we need someone like Newsom, etc. I'd love Pete Buttigieg, but don't think this country is ready for a gay President. But Pete would be a hell of a debater against Trump. I just want someone who can leave Trump in the dirt and WIN.
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Newsom would be a force to reckon with and would wipe the floor with Trump on the debate stage but his current approval ratings are low in CA. I would bet that if America got a chance to see him campaigning though he would change hearts and minds, he has Obama level charisma.
 
Eric said:
Newsom would be a force to reckon with and would wipe the floor with Trump on the debate stage but his current approval ratings are low in CA. I would bet that if America got a chance to see him campaigning though he would change hearts and minds, he has Obama level charisma.
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I agree with Newsom's approval ratings being low in CA. Especially in Orange County where many Trumpers reside. But Newsom has charisma and is a good speaker. Agree that he could change hearts and minds and possibly win over enough of the purple states to give the Dems a better chance to win.

Side note: I do like Biden and think he has done a good job. Especially considering what he was handed from Trump's legacy (Covid, debt, etc.). He's had a long career run and I hate to see it end like this. Overall, I find him to be a decent man. Way more than the Orange Stain could ever hope to be. But Trump will never consider decency. Ever. It's not in his wheelhouse.
 
Biden supporters on social media are excoriating Democrats who are openly calling for him to step aside, especially people like Adam Schiff who did it publicly. They're saying Biden deserves the nomination because of his record, his deep care for the country, and his primary wins. But if it's true that others — Raskin, Pelosi, and especially Obama — are offering the same counsel, if mostly behind the scenes, that's significant.

If Biden bows out, which I'm not yet fully convinced he will or should do, what he says to the nation will matter. He will have to convince Americans that he is not being forced out, but is making the decision on his own after extensive consultation, and that the best way forward to defeat Trump and authoritarianism is for another candidate to be at the top of the Democratic ticket. This would indeed be the most consequential speech of his career.

The question will be who should replace him, but regardless of who that is, Biden and the party will have to rally around them and their running mate quickly. There are huge practical hurdles, including how to use funds already acquired, redoing millions of campaign materials, staging and re-staging events, and so on. Some say this is impossible, but it could be an energizing shot in the arm that starkly contrasts with Trump's cult.
 
leman said:
Does it really matter what the other side is saying? I’d think the main goal right now should be winning the election. Individual ambitions or preferences seem like a secondary concern, given how high the stakes are. Recent french elections could be a good role model. It would make sense to me to go for the statistically highest chances. So I disagree with you - Biden staying would be more a confirmation of what the other side is saying, because that would put the ambition and reputation of a single family before that of the interest of the party and the people.
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Well, either way, I think the damage is done. I believe Biden can win, but not with everyone split and divided. And hey, we have the right to voice whatever opinion we want. I’m just shocked and amazed this is playing out this close to the election when we had the 2020 cycle and a full term to avoid this. The news sucking the wind out of the room is age when Trump is just as old - and everything else he is. One hand up a woman’s dress and “Biden can’t win”.

No, Biden can’t and won’t win with this type of democratic panic. Predictions are useless until Election Day, but Trump has a low ceiling and we seem to be raising it for him. Oh well, it is what it is.

What really sucks is hearing big donors saying they are pulling their funding - we’re supposed to be the party calling out this stuff, and we appear no better at the moment. This isn’t about loyalty to Biden, I just think he’s done a good job and endorse him, but I really wish democrats hadn’t sat on their hands until a bad debate performance. What a joke.

In lighter news, this guy’s theme is “Real American” and he told kids to train, say your prayers, take your vitamins, and storm the US Capitol if you’re a sore loser!

www.tmz.com

Hulk Hogan Speaking At RNC, Loves America & Eager to Support Trump

Hulk Hogan is gearing up to back Donald Trump at the RNC with all the enthusiasm of a wrestling match -- 'cause he thinks he needs his support now more than ever, we can reveal.
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Chew Toy McCoy said:


:ROFLMAO: for the honesty on incentive network news. "and if you get killed in a concentration camp it will just be something we can cover."
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A parody but that's so close to being accurate that it's the reason I stopped watching CNN a while back. It seems like Fox News has been harder on Trump.
 
GermanSuplex said:
No, Biden can’t and won’t win with this type of democratic panic. Predictions are useless until Election Day, but Trump has a low ceiling and we seem to be raising it for him. Oh well, it is what it is.
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IMO, Biden would still not win even without the democratic panic. His speech and physical actions speak volumes. This mostly started a couple of years ago and is now significantly accelerating by the week. It's very noticeable and doesn't instill confidence about his leadership abilities, or in the Democratic Party in general.

What's raising trump's ceiling right now is his VP pick, Vance - lending a ton of positivity and energy going forward. If I were an R I'd say it was an outstanding choice. Which will also be a huge advantage not just in the upcoming election, but in the 2028 and 2032 elections as well. That "democratic panic" is well substantiated and earned.

Hold onto your seat, it's really going to suck going forward (possibly for the next 12 years).
 
Against better judegment, I watched some of trump's convention speech tonight. Lies, lies, and more lies coming out of his mouth.

The audience was mezmeized eating it all up. Such a masterful gaslighting of the audience.
 

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