M4 Mac Announcements

[Jimmyjames]

Anyone know the model no. of the M4 Max Studio (i.e., ##,#), so I could search for it in GB? I don't expect they gave it a higher max clock than the M4 Max MBP, but would like to confirm.

Mac16,9 but I’m not sure there are any results in the searchable database yet. Scores were only submitted a few hours ago and it only gets updated every 12 hours I believe.

 

[The Hardcard]

Anyone know the model no. of the M4 Max Studio (i.e., ##,#), so I could search for it in GB? I don't expect they gave it a higher max clock than the M4 Max MBP, but would like to confirm.

Edit: Got beat by Jimmyjames

 

[Jimmyjames]

There are M4 Max Studio scores there, but they can’t be searched easily.

Mac16,9 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Mac16,9 with an Apple M4 Max processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Mac16,9 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Mac16,9 with an Apple M4 Max processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[exoticspice1]

Apple will likely move to chiplets and HBM for Baltra. LPDDR5X is not enough

 

[dada_dave]

Apple will likely move to chiplets and HBM for Baltra. LPDDR5X is not enough

HBM in particular depends on what Baltra is supposed to be and how much overlap/dual-use design Apple wants with its consumer chips.

 

[exoticspice1]

HBM in particular depends on what Baltra is supposed to be and how much overlap/dual-use design Apple wants with its consumer chips.

The thing is Baltra shouldn't overlap with their consumer chips, it should be seperate line and made for server use only.

Its most likely the most boring option, that it will be a 64 core, 160GPU with 1TB or 2TB of LPDRR5X with 2TB/s of Mem Bandwidth. Apple also has this Carbon Zero so they likely won't even use server based IP or boost up clocks.

The 4x M4 Maxes will be connected via advanced packaging simliar to AMDs. In the end Apple's "server" chip is based a Mac SoC.

 

[dada_dave]

The thing is Baltra shouldn't overlap with their consumer chips, it should be seperate line and made for server use only.

Its most likely the most boring option, that it will be a 64 core, 160GPU with 1TB or 2TB of LPDRR5X with 2TB/s of Mem Bandwidth. Apple also has this Carbon Zero so they likely won't even use server based IP or boost up clocks.

The 4x M4 Maxes will be connected via advanced packaging simliar to AMDs. In the end Apple's "server" chip is based a Mac SoC.

In that case, LPDDR5X and multiple M4 Maxes, I’d classify it as dual use - I was referring to building a bespoke die with HBM just for server use that I view as less likely. But, given that Apple seemingly went back to modify the M3 Max die to make the M3 Ultra, I could also potentially see them modifying a “server” die with HBM to use a consumer variant that is otherwise the same with LPDDR. Though I suspect that’s still a bigger change than what they did with the M3 Max, adding ultra fusion and TB5.

 

[Jimmyjames]

We have a Geekbench 5 score now. More demonstrative of pure core scaling. A 48% increase vs M2 Ultra.

Mac15,14 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Mac15,14 with an Apple M3 Ultra processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Mac14,14 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Mac14,14 with an Apple M2 Ultra processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[theorist9]

There are M4 Max Studio scores there, but they can’t be searched easily.

Mac16,9 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Mac16,9 with an Apple M4 Max processor.

browser.geekbench.com

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Mac16,9 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Mac16,9 with an Apple M4 Max processor.

browser.geekbench.com

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Thanks! The M4 Studio has the same 4.5 GHz max clock as the M4 MBP, as expected. Would have been cool if they were able to take advantage of the far greater thermal dissipation capability of the Studio to bump it, but alas....

 

[Yoused]

Has anyone raced a MBP Max against a Studio Max? I mean, marathon, not sprint. Perhaps the Studio can hold the higher clock for longer?

 

[casperes1996]

Has anyone raced a MBP Max against a Studio Max? I mean, marathon, not sprint. Perhaps the Studio can hold the higher clock for longer?

I would say undoubtably better than the 14", but in my experience the 16" holds clocks high fairly consistently, although I don't have experience with its M4 Max variant specifically

 

[tomO2013]

Something that jumped out at me....

I wonder if Apple will start offering the ability to rent compute time in their private cloud being powered by M3 Ultra during the next WWDC.

This would definitely be interesting to me as a path for Apple to further explore and push availability to private LLM compute for the masses (over here the 512GB memory ultra with the 16TB ssd is close to 20k!)

 

[theorist9]

Something that jumped out at me....

I wonder if Apple will start offering the ability to rent compute time in their private cloud being powered by M3 Ultra during the next WWDC.

This would definitely be interesting to me as a path for Apple to further explore and push availability to private LLM compute for the masses (over here the 512GB memory ultra with the 16TB ssd is close to 20k!)

I expect MacStadium will offer that as soon as they get their hands on the M3 Ultra Studios (see https://www.macstadium.com/ and https://www.macstadium.com/bare-metal-mac ).

 

[exoticspice1]

Apple should allow CPU overclocking on the Studio or at least the Mac Pro. All that cooling just to run at the same clocks as a MacBook Pro.

 

[Yoused]

All that cooling just to run at the same clocks as a MacBook Pro.

Clocking is not all there is too it, though. If you are running heavy loads, the SoC will down-clock when it starts to get too hot. All that cooling means that the Studio probably down-clocks later, or less, compared to the MBP.