The Democrat agenda 2022 and going forward

[Eric]

Also as some have said, the Democrats spent a lot of time talking to people who abandoned Trump or the Republican party and no time talking to people who abandoned the Democrat party.

Those who have left the Democratic party have gone full MAGA. I'm perfectly happy not listening to them, either. We lost and that's that, why litigate it any further? One would have to assume what they have to say now will be valid four years from now when there's a completely different dynamic anyway.

 

[Citysnaps]

Facts: Harris had a plan. Trump had "concepts of a plan", and his talk varied from rally to rally, e.g. 200, 400, 1000% tariffs. The voters may have felt Harris didn't have a plan or that it was not inspiring to vote for her, but those that believe that and voted for Trump because of that false narrative, are quite frankly stupid to think that. Trump had words that fell from his mouth that wasn't consistent from conversation to conversation. Harris had it written down, and you can still go to it.

https://kamalaharris.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Policy_Book_Economic-Opportunity.pdf

Of course Harris had a plan. And we all know about trump's "concepts of a plan."

What I'm saying is when out campaigning, especially in critical swing states that decided the election's outcome, she couldn't dynamically reapportion or pivot her messaging focusing on the major concerns of her audience, which were largely economic based... trying to get ahead in life, putting food on the table, putting kids in college, buying a home, etc. And instead putting valuable time on trump being an awful person. Which apparently people didn't care too much about.

She did well in other states with people in better shape economically and having different concerns (trump being awful/wanting to be a dictator/dangerous/a liar/a conman, etc), as attested by the large number of votes she won.

I don't think Newsom will be making that mistake in 2028.

 

[rdrr]

Of course Harris had a plan. And we all know about trump's "concepts of a plan."

What I'm saying is when out campaigning, especially in critical swing states that decided the election's outcome, she couldn't dynamically reapportion or pivot her messaging focusing on the major concerns of her audience, which were largely economic based... trying to get ahead in life, putting food on the table, putting kids in college, buying a home, etc. And instead putting valuable time on trump being an awful person. Which apparently people didn't care too much about.

She did well in other states with people in better shape economically and having different concerns (trump being awful/wanting to be a dictator/dangerous/a liar/a conman, etc), as attested by the large number of votes she won.

I don't think Newsom will be making that mistake in 2028.

So people in states that Harris did well struggle with those economic issues to. In fact I would state that people who voted for Harris in the states that Trump won, also struggle with the current economic issues. The fact people would vote for a felon, an adjudicated rapist, and overlooking the fact that criminal is a known liar, scammer, and is known that the promises he makes he doesn't keep, is down right stupid and uninformed.

As for speculating Newsom v Vance, we'll have to see what type of VP and piotential Vance will be. My guess is that we won't know nothing more about Vance in the next 4 years, since he most likely will be put on a shelf encased in lucite (out of sight and out of mind).

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Those who have left the Democratic party have gone full MAGA. I'm perfectly happy not listening to them, either. We lost and that's that, why litigate it any further? One would have to assume what they have to say now will be valid four years from now when there's a completely different dynamic anyway.

The economic populists (Bernie) people either went MAGA or have nothing but disgust for the Democrat party. We desperately need a third viable party that is populist economic left. While this may disturb people like herdfan, there’s actually an upside to it from even his perspective. Democrats can be the corporate centrists they already are without needing to appeal to the far left. They could be the centrist party many “independents” claim we need and that could feasibly be a winning party.

This is not the time in history for the Newsoms of the world. Nobody is going to look at California and think we have things worked out as far as personal economics and taxes. There are many things I like about living in CA but those certainly aren't part of those reasons.

 

[Citysnaps]

The fact people would vote for a felon, an adjudicated rapist, and overlooking the fact that criminal is a known liar, scammer, and is known that the promises he makes he doesn't keep, is down right stupid and uninformed.

Not having any significant worries in life, I can't begin to put myself in others' shoes living from paycheck to paycheck, with kids to feed and educate, loads of debt piling up, and not knowing what the next month may bring.

I've come across people *somewhat* similar to that in a couple of San Francisco neighborhoods via my photography (I like engaging strangers for conversation and photos in what some would call difficult neighborhoods). They're not homeless... just nervous, and uncertain about the future. I don't think they're stupid; perhaps a little unintentionally uniformed. Thus recognizing their situation and plight, and that they're decent people deep down inside and just trying to survive, I have a lot of empathy for their situation, and don't look down on them.

Would that cause them to vote (assuming they do) for trump who lies as effortlessly as people breath about the wonderful things he's going to do to lift them up economically? I really don't know. Maybe. And if they did I wouldn't blame them for latching onto hope, even if it comes from the master bullshitter. And that's just in San Francisco. I suspect it's similar or worse in many rural-ish areas of many states east of the Mississippi River. And even in California and other western states.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I think one of Harris’s weakest capitulations that points to Democrats’ corruption is she said she was going to go after price gougers but then quickly backed off after the financial elites complained. Trump deporting 20 million immigrants is an impossibility and that coupled with across the board tariffs would be an economic disaster, but he doesn’t care. That was his winning message just like going after price gougers was. Actually executing these things is up for debate, but like I said, Democrats would rather take a loss than upset their wealthy donors.

 

[GermanSuplex]

It would help if the press started covering Trump like a deranged celeb in his twilight years (which he is) instead of a slightly-off candidate (which he is not).

Also, Americans are dumb, plain and simple. Everyone jokes that the case but exempts themselves. Sorry, there was no comparison between the Trump candidacy and Harris’. Why does Trump get to not even try, but Harris has to balance fifty different spinning policy plates? Tariffs and mass deportations is hardly a “policy” position when you can’t explain how they’ll help at all.

Anyone who said Harris had no plans wasn’t listening. Dumb and uninformed Americans who read social posts or watch a TikTok clip of Trump and think it’s just funny to have a president who gives no f’s is how he won. Yeah, a lot of normal republicans like Trump too, but that’s because he has an R next to his name. It’s the same reason why the Trump party continually re-elect republicans they claim to hate, like Mitch McConnell.

 

[Herdfan]

Tariffs and mass deportations is hardly a “policy” position when you can’t explain how they’ll help at all.

I would bet the family of Lakin Riley would beg to differ.

Anyone who said Harris had no plans wasn’t listening. Dumb and uninformed Americans who read social posts or watch a TikTok clip of Trump and think it’s just funny to have a president who gives no f’s is how he won. Yeah, a lot of normal republicans like Trump too, but that’s because he has an R next to his name. It’s the same reason why the Trump party continually re-elect republicans they claim to hate, like Mitch McConnell.

I never said she didn't have a plan. In fact I said it was right there on her website. But unless you went to her website, you didn't know about it because all she wanted to do was talk about how bad Trump was.

Has anyone given any thought to some of the votes "for" Trump were actually votes against some Dem policies?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Has anyone given any thought to some of the votes "for" Trump were actually votes against some Dem policies?

The same neuroscientist I said in another post that diagnosed Musk’s behavior went off on the far left activists’ influence on the Democrats, basically calling them the Democrats’ basket of deplorables. Both myself and the center right host thought he went a little overboard on his analysis, but there is something I agree with. By what Democrats have said, and more importantly not said, they’ve allowed the perception that they believe anybody at any age who shows the slightest sign of gender dysphoria should be fast tracked to a gender change surgery. Again, it's what they don’t say. The right hurled that at them and they haven’t disputed it in any thoughtful manor. They’re too afraid of the militant transgender activists.

Like I said in another post, my parents are a lesbian couple but aren’t activists or spokespeople for “the community”. They understand that not everybody is completely comfortable with gay people but they don’t have a hair trigger anger about it. Similarly I don’t think it should be assumed that every trans person is going to lose their shit if there is some nuanced discussion about transgender people and the process of making or not making the life changing decisions, but the Democrats treat it like if any discussion about questioning or making that decision is persecution that should not be tolerated.

 

[Renzatic]

I would bet the family of Lakin Riley would beg to differ.

One dead nurse, killed by an illegal, and oh the crocodiles shed their tears. REMEMBER HER NAME, they scream. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED, they wail.

Meanwhile, 66 kids have been killed or injured in school shootings this year, and we WOULD care, but there's a problem.

...none of the shooters were beaners overstaying their visas.

So hey, thoughts and prayers.

 

[Eric]

One dead nurse, killed by an illegal, and oh the crocodiles shed their tears. REMEMBER HER NAME, they scream. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED, they wail.

Meanwhile, 66 kids have been killed or injured in school shootings this year, and we WOULD care, but there's a problem.

...none of the shooters were beaners overstaying their visas.

So hey, thoughts and prayers.

I can guarantee you he's more far more outraged about this than Uvalde. But we really need to hear what he has to say about why the Democrats lost, you know, so we can learn the error of our ways and all.

 

[Herdfan]

But we really need to hear what he has to say about why the Democrats lost, you know, so we can learn the error of our ways and all.

Well I’m pretty sure simply thinking that almost 77M voters are stupid isn’t the right answer.

 

[Eric]

Well I’m pretty sure simply thinking that almost 77M voters are stupid isn’t the right answer.

Do you really think that 77M approve of Uvalde? Look, if this is going to be your default response to every issue then you can take a hike. We like to discuss issues here, there must be plenty of MAGA forums you can go peddle your bullshit on.

 

[GermanSuplex]

I would bet the family of Lakin Riley would beg to differ.




I never said she didn't have a plan. In fact I said it was right there on her website. But unless you went to her website, you didn't know about it because all she wanted to do was talk about how bad Trump was.

Has anyone given any thought to some of the votes "for" Trump were actually votes against some Dem policies?

Nonsense. I never went to her website and I heard her and Walz talk over and over about a handful of policies.

Trump was bad, and an immediate threat, and not pointing that out as much as she did would be ludicrous.

I didn’t even quote you in that post but you responded, yet rarely respond when asked other questions.

You say Harris spoke in word salad - even said you don’t respect who speak like she does. Nothing on Trump. Say she didn’t talk about policy enough, when Trump had like, two or three major policy points, with zero details. Constantly insulted her and posted like a deranged basement dweller on his social page. Said he knows nothing about Project 2025, but is hiring the people who helped author it.

I would like to have a healthy debate with our favorite and only conservative friend, but all you do is pick the lowest hanging or easiest to defend points, and are radio silent on the biggest and obvious hypocrisies we point out.

*And to answer your question, no. It never occurred to me anyone would ever vote against Harris, either for her policies, her race or her gender. Seriously?