The Democrat agenda 2022 and going forward

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Right, I think Democrats are gonna have to do much more than just be anti-Trump going forward. Currently there is a wave against liberal policies in San Francisco, it will be interesting to see if Pelosi survives the midterms.

Rampant crime and city and social decay is fairly new to SF, and I'm not saying that describes the entire city. You can't blame that entirely on being run by Democrats because it has been for most of it's history. But you can blame it on capitalist policies. It's a monument to massive income and wealth inequality in a tiny footprint. You could even say its the fault of tech bros who will now be dictating the federal government. Why any conservative would look at the lineup with positive expectations is mind boggling. These sad, but rich, men are still pissed off they never were and never will be part of the A List and now want to take that out on everybody.

 

[Herdfan]

Currently there is a wave against liberal policies in San Francisco

In theory that is how it is supposed to work. Things go too far one way, the populace brings them back.

, it will be interesting to see if Pelosi survives the midterms.

She will be there until she is ready to leave. It's one thing to remove a mayor or DA, but one of the most powerful Reps in the House. Nope, she is staying. One because she is powerful and two because there is a disconnect between local policies and federal policies.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Very good and fairly brief article about the very real actions Biden is taking in his final days, both by affecting law (banning medical debt from appearing on credit reports, which helps many people regardless of party) to more optic stuff like giving Liz Cheney, Hillary Clinton and George Soros awards, to his recent pardons.

People will view that however they want, but I think it’s solid work by a president still sharper than people give him credit for, with a solid legacy. Really, no President comes away from office with a perfect reputation, but Biden could have done way, way worse. I think he’ll be viewed as a consequential president with one of the worst handovers in modern history, nothing even compares unless you go back to the civil war. And because he was pushed out, the best people will be able to do is speculate he would have lost.

Biden infuriates Trump supporters with "Dark Brandon" final act — Axios

President Biden is infuriating critics in the twilight of his term, unburdened by optics as he resorts to raw instincts — and seemingly a bit of trolling — to write the final pages of his polarizing presidency.

apple.news

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Very good and fairly brief article about the very real actions Biden is taking in his final days, both by affecting law (banning medical debt from appearing on credit reports, which helps many people regardless of party) to more optic stuff like giving Liz Cheney, Hillary Clinton and George Soros awards, to his recent pardons.

People will view that however they want, but I think it’s solid work by a president still sharper than people give him credit for, with a solid legacy. Really, no President comes away from office with a perfect reputation, but Biden could have done way, way worse. I think he’ll be viewed as a consequential president with one of the worst handovers in modern history, nothing even compares unless you go back to the civil war. And because he was pushed out, the best people will be able to do is speculate he would have lost.

Biden infuriates Trump supporters with "Dark Brandon" final act — Axios

President Biden is infuriating critics in the twilight of his term, unburdened by optics as he resorts to raw instincts — and seemingly a bit of trolling — to write the final pages of his polarizing presidency.

apple.news

My immediate thought on the medical debt was why didn't they do that a year or more ago when it could have had some impact on the election? But since Democrats are shit on messaging about their positive accomplishments they probably wouldn't have even mentioned it anyway. While we're at it, why isn't rent payments still not on credit reporting?? More and more people are renting and it still doesn't factor into your credit unless you do something negative like break a lease. But years or paying rent on time? Nothing for you.

I think Biden's legacy is long going to be mostly defined by Trump returning to power immediately after while he was never held legally accountable for his political actions in those 4 years. Whatever forces you want to blame outside Biden for that will largely be seen as irrelevant.

 

[Huntn]

Such a clear target and threat. Shouldn’t I blame the Biden Admin for failing to complete prosecution of The Head Criminal over a 4 year period?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Such a clear target and threat. Shouldn’t I blame the Biden Admin for failing to complete prosecution of The Head Criminal over a 4 year period?

While you can't blame Biden entirely for it, it happened on his watch and while the Democrats have been telling us to trust in the institutions that did fuck all to save us from another 4 years of Trump. They were more concerned about the appearance of a political persecution than getting justice or saving us. Meanwhile, here's Trump and his administration for the next 4 years. "I'm going after them because they are a Democrats. DEMOCRATS ARE EVIL. FUCK DEMOCRATS!!"

 

[GermanSuplex]

Biden is not in charge of prosecuting people, and I don’t think democrats pushing into a realm where republicans are trying (giving the president ability to interfere with DoJ matters) is a good thing.

I lay the blame with Trump and those who protect. At worst, Garland.

I’m not disagreeing some will see that Biden presided over a DoJ that failed to hold Trump accountable. That could well be the consensus. But it’s not how I view it. These are unprecedented times.

 

[Herdfan]

Rampant crime and city and social decay is fairly new to SF, and I'm not saying that describes the entire city. You can't blame that entirely on being run by Democrats because it has been for most of it's history.

First, there are posts here saying that is not happening.

Second, you can’t compare today’s Democrats with <2000 era Democrats. They are not the same.

 

[Citysnaps]

Here's a pretty good autopsy of how Democrats lost the working class over the years:

... "The Democratic Party’s estrangement from working-class voters first became clear with Mr. Trump’s upset of Hillary Clinton in 2016, powered by broad shifts in the preferences of white voters without college degrees, and it became even more unmistakable with his emphatic defeat of Vice President Kamala Harris in November. That result was a reckoning for a party that thought it had fixed its problems with blue-collar voters by heavily reinvesting in domestic manufacturing but instead discovered even more erosion, this time among Black and Latino workers." ...

How the Democrats Lost the Working Class

The theory seemed sound: Stabilize financial markets, support the poor and promote a more secure, integrated world. But blue-collar workers were left behind.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Herdfan]

Here's a pretty good autopsy of how Democrats lost the working class over the years:

but instead discovered even more erosion, this time among Black and Latino workers." ...

First, we were also told by posters here that this was not happening. Don't know if it was wishful thinking or if they had some info the rest of us looking at polls did not.

The second and bigger issue will be: "Can the Dems get them back?". Or are they gone for good and will they bring friends?

 

[Eric]

First, we were also told by posters here that this was not happening. Don't know if it was wishful thinking or if they had some info the rest of us looking at polls did not.

The second and bigger issue will be: "Can the Dems get them back?". Or are they gone for good and will they bring friends?

Kamala still won the black vote with 78%, yes it's down from what it was but it's still an unquestionable majority. Even with the Latino vote it was a combined win with 62% of the vote (added links because even though it's unpopular with the GOP I still believe in facts) The white vote is what got Trump elected, but you guys acting like all these minorities jumped to your side is a ridiculous.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

First, we were also told by posters here that this was not happening. Don't know if it was wishful thinking or if they had some info the rest of us looking at polls did not.

The second and bigger issue will be: "Can the Dems get them back?". Or are they gone for good and will they bring friends?

As soon as they learn the hard way they can't tough guy themselves into economic prosperity or a relationship they'll go back. Not because they suddenly find Democrats more appealing, but because we have an abusive relationship with our government where the only other option when you aren't happy is to move back in with the other parent. Not enough weight in some people's minds is given to reflexive incumbent backlash that is happening all over the globe. Trump's biggest voting block gain was with those who don't really pay attention.

 

[Herdfan]

Kamala still won the black vote with 78%, yes it's down from what it was but it's still an unquestionable majority. Even with the Latino vote it was a combined win with 62% of the vote (added links because even though it's unpopular with the GOP I still believe in facts) The white vote is what got Trump elected, but you guys acting like all these minorities jumped to your side is a ridiculous.

She did. She got 78%. Biden, an old white dude got 92%. I think that is a pretty significant shift.

 

[Eric]

She did. She got 78%. Biden, an old white dude got 92%. I think that is a pretty significant shift.

Agreed. But you also have to agree Republicans don’t come anywhere near holding a majority in either of them, because that’s how you all act.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Agreed. But you also have to agree Republicans don’t come anywhere near holding a majority in either of them, because that’s how you all act.

And also didn’t a lot less people vote? So a gain in percentage of less people voting is still less people. The right will want be completely one sided and say less people voted only because they didn’t like Harris. No. Less people voted because they didn’t like either option.

But I could be wrong. Is their data showing more black and Latino voters voted in 2024 than 2020?

 

[Citysnaps]

But I could be wrong. Is their data showing more black and Latino voters voted in 2024 than 2020?

More black and latino voters voted for trump in the seven critical swing states; especially in areas that were hurting economically, which helped determine trump's win.

Hopefully Dem strategists will pay attention else there'll be a repeat in 2028 with Vance being elected President. Not having David Axelrod on the Dems strategy team for 2024 was a big mistake (IMO).

 

[Citysnaps]

First, we were also told by posters here that this was not happening. Don't know if it was wishful thinking or if they had some info the rest of us looking at polls did not.

The second and bigger issue will be: "Can the Dems get them back?". Or are they gone for good and will they bring friends?

An excellent question. Especially with Vance running in 2028. Wouldn't be surprised if he'll be pushing Hillbilly Elegy pretty hard to appeal to more rural-ish areas of the swing states. In the end I suspect it'll depend on how seriously the Dem strategists soak in the various post-mortem and autopsies of the 2024 election, and adjust accordingly.

At this moment, I think Vance has a decent shot of winning (assuming he doesn't do something stupid over the next four years). Of course that'll also be influenced by what trump does in the next four years, wanting to be up there with Putin, hitler, and Kim in the history books. Atlantic Ocean -> American Ocean , etc, etc.... or worse.

 

[Eric]

So theft then. This isn't some privileged white man we're talking about here, I think Republicans may finally become the party of law and order again.

Florida Accidentally Paid Healthcare Company $5 Million Instead of $50K; CEO Used Extra Funds to Run for Congress: Report

Florida is suing a healthcare company after mistakenly paying it $5.7 million instead of $50K, with accusations that the CEO used the funds to run for congress.

www.latintimes.com

Florida Accidentally Paid Healthcare Company $5 Million Instead of $50K; CEO Used Extra Funds to Run for Congress: Report​

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

On MSNBC, the supposed Fox News for Democrats, Chris Hayes slams Biden for providing more tools of death and destruction in Gaza to Israel on his way out the door with a montage of evidence that you would be forgiven for thinking you’re on TikTok.

 

[Eric]

Biden's plan comes to fruition. It'll be a great note for him to go out on, let's hope it holds.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-ceasefire-appears-close-us-egyptian-leaders-put-focus-coming-hours-2025-01-14/

Gaza ceasefire deal reached between Israel, Hamas; truce to begin Sunday​